Buddhists only: No Brahman Teaching in Buddhism

[Twilight Hue]

Brahman is referred to as unchanging and of it's own existence referencing a soul or a type of domain of by which is rejected and not acknowledged if it helps clarify a bit. Dynaprajna makes a good explanation of things per post 58.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Misunderstandings of both Tao and Brahman.

Lao tzu describes the Tao, the primordial uncreated from which all manifestations arise and dissolve. Being nameless he styles it "the Way"(Tao in Chinese)
How to align (the mind) with the tao;
"Attain uttmost emptiness, maintain utter stillness"-Lao Tzu
Sage vasistha describes Brahman as the sole existence and reality, all objects are Brahman, non existence is also Brahman. Whatever their is can ultimately be reduced to Brahman which is the irriducible reality.
How to realize Brahman; eliminate distinctions in the mind, and silence thoughts.


As Buddhist you know exactly what happens when you meditate and employ those above said techniques.
not to mention, all these dharmas started in the same general area.

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

If you'll read what you said, you'd see that both Tao and Brahman still indicates an eternal, unchanging, and independent ego-soul. Anatta isn't an easy idea to digest, and the best way to do so is by direct experience. This is one of the things that sets Buddhism apart from all other religions.

 

[crossfire]

Misunderstandings of both Tao and Brahman.

Lao tzu describes the Tao, the primordial uncreated from which all manifestations arise and dissolve. Being nameless he styles it "the Way"(Tao in Chinese)
How to align (the mind) with the tao;
"Attain uttmost emptiness, maintain utter stillness"-Lao Tzu
Sage vasistha describes Brahman as the sole existence and reality, all objects are Brahman, non existence is also Brahman. Whatever their is can ultimately be reduced to Brahman which is the irriducible reality.
How to realize Brahman; eliminate distinctions in the mind, and silence thoughts.


As Buddhist you know exactly what happens when you meditate and employ those above said techniques.
not to mention, all these dharmas started in the same general area.

Umm, where's the Buddhism teachings here?

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Quieting the thoughts to experience voidness, which leads to compassion for all, because were all in it together.
The same basic method for attaining enlightenment in all enlightenment traditions the world over.

Remember the goal is Nirvana, the mental state of a Buddha.

There is only one Nirvana, one enlightenment. Isn't it somewhat illogical to assume superiority over different traditions that have the same goal of leaving the cycle of birth & death.
The experience of shunya, the experience of Brahman, the experience of Tao. Are all descriptive terms for a formless & nameless reality that is paradoxically also all form.

By forcing people to use specified terms the teaching becomes secular and looses effectiveness.

 

[crossfire]

Quieting the thoughts to experience voidness, which leads to compassion for all, because were all in it together.
The same basic method for attaining enlightenment in all enlightenment traditions the world over.

Remember the goal is Nirvana, the mental state of a Buddha.

There is only one Nirvana, one enlightenment.

Debatable, as Nibbana is untraceable.

Isn't it somewhat illogical to assume superiority over different traditions that have the same goal of leaving the cycle of birth & death.

I just love irony.

The experience of shunya, the experience of Brahman, the experience of Tao. Are all descriptive terms for a formless & nameless reality that is paradoxically also all form.

By forcing people to use specified terms the teaching becomes secular and looses effectiveness.

Hence, no brahman teaching in Buddhism.

 

[crossfire]

Perhaps this very short sutta will help you to understand:

Simsapa Sutta: The Simsapa Leaves

The kicker line:

"In the same way, monks, those things that I have known with direct knowledge but have not taught are far more numerous [than what I have taught]. And why haven't I taught them? Because they are not connected with the goal, do not relate to the rudiments of the holy life, and do not lead to disenchantment, to dispassion, to cessation, to calm, to direct knowledge, to self-awakening, to Unbinding. That is why I have not taught them.​

back to this part of your last post:

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The experience of shunya, the experience of Brahman, the experience of Tao. Are all descriptive terms for a formless & nameless reality that is paradoxically also all form.

By forcing people to use specified terms the teaching becomes secular and looses effectiveness.

It does not lead to the goal, in fact grasping at it is a hindrance, and hence, Buddha's silence regarding it.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Quieting the thoughts to experience voidness, which leads to compassion for all, because were all in it together.
The same basic method for attaining enlightenment in all enlightenment traditions the world over.

Remember the goal is Nirvana, the mental state of a Buddha.

There is only one Nirvana, one enlightenment. Isn't it somewhat illogical to assume superiority over different traditions that have the same goal of leaving the cycle of birth & death.
The experience of shunya, the experience of Brahman, the experience of Tao. Are all descriptive terms for a formless & nameless reality that is paradoxically also all form.

By forcing people to use specified terms the teaching becomes secular and looses effectiveness.

I think thats where this gets convoluted involving Brahman and Bramha.

As mentioned earlier, there is no real fixed unchanging permanent abode nor state that of which that could be traced to any point of origin that can be designated as Brahman or any other application of termonology, like that found in the Upanishads.
It appears your attempting to trace original face when in fact such has givin way to impermemence leaving only the ungraspable to contend with.

Crossfire mentioned such designations referencing Nibbana (aka Nirvana) as being untraceable, and if of such, were it to lead to any point of fixed (ultimate) origin, would not be conducive of Buddhism. That's the reason for the "opposition".

Dynaparajna mentions what is paramount and imo absolutely necessary in order to make Buddhism "work". Direct experience with a quiet mind is the best way and manner to approach any obscurity, helping clear things the sublimity of termonology brings such as that here. Words are just horrible in attempts to explain things like this.

 

[crossfire]

This comment is not directly on topic, but I gotta say it, so I'll hide it:

Spoiler: a tangent note

We really have a great group of Buddhists here at RF, and I appreciate everyone in this electronic sangha. :yes:

We should have more same faith debates!

 

[dyanaprajna2011]

Sakka-pañha Sutta: Sakka's Questions

I think this part of this sutta really points to how the Buddha viewed whether or not the brahmins and other contemplatives taught the same thing he did or not.

Then Sakka, having delighted in & expressed his approval of the Blessed One's words, asked him a further question: "Dear sir, do all brahmans & contemplatives teach the same doctrine, adhere to the same precepts, desire the same thing, aim at the same goal?"

"No, deva-king, not all brahmans & contemplatives teach the same doctrine, adhere to the same precepts, desire the same thing, aim at the same goal."

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Well these arguments are fair enough.
After a while people ask; what is it? Being incomprehensible humans
give it really esoteric names; each name originally made much more sense.

the only solid philosophical differences between
Buddhism and advaita
Buddhism teaches that conciousness arises with thought.
Advaita teaches that consciousness is emergent naturally in all existence.

truth is not the acceptance or rejection of. Idk why I still even bother getting online anymore, just a habit.

 

[Contemplative Cat]

Yeah some Brahmans and contemplatives don't seek enlightenment.
Communist & anarchist philosophers for example.
Or dvaita mimasma brahmanas who go all day reciting formulas(most of them accuse yogis of being Buddhists)