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Burden of Proof is on Atheists

leroy

Well-Known Member
No we're not, arguments, claims and beliefs do not have any credence because they are not refute, or disproved, that is an argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy.

All claims and beliefs carry a burden of proof, disbelieving a claim does not.
Ok so in that case the burden proof is on you.


Prove to me that there are any authentic stegosaurus fossils.
 

Evangelicalhumanist

"Truth" isn't a thing...
Premium Member
TRANSLATION:
"Evangelicalhumanist's personal unscientific opinion is what there is no God." Why unscientific? Because there is no hypothesis of God's non-existence in Science yet.
You might consider, however, that there is also no hypothesis of God's existence in science yet. Therefore, it is not me being unscientific, but you.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
Ok would you show that 2 is wrong ? Would you show that there are things have no explanation and that would be explained if we postulate the existence of stegosaurus?
Do you mean explain why I disagree with your points 2 and 3, as that was what you asked, "which of these do you disagree with."

2 non of those things would be explained if we postulate the existence of a stegosaurus

This is demonstrably false, since there are still things we are learning about Stegosaurus.

3 some of this things would have an explanation if we postulate the existence of God. .......(Say we define God as an inteligente being that excist independently of the universe)

I don't agree, as all the deities I have seen imagined have no explanatory powers whatsoever, only bare subjective assumptions. many of which are contradicted by objective scientific facts, which do explain aspects of the natural physical world and universe.
 
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rational experiences

Veteran Member
A man as a human who is consciousness developed all ideas about earth and it's heavens as himself he him his a man....and is self possessed.

As he is real consciousness word applied themed numbers using words first.... the natural thinker origin.

Irradiated gas burnt his mind by bringing light void vacuum pressure owned only when he chose and lit earths stone substance bringing it back from death... cold.

Science hence said I brought gods cold fusion back from its sealed tomb. Converting by alight. Raised it from its dead position cold.

Introduced a split mind by psyche. Taught I am now in love with myself as sciences destroyer term.

Why he ended up having sex with myself. A satanic teaching of his self alchemist mother maths womb possession.

Chemical mind imbalance.

I saw a vision of earth after effect where men with origin giant pyramid nearly destroyed earth.

Changed its poles frozen rhat then unfroze as it was so hot.

In the vision I saw the water flood a whole ocean over earth. I felt his man's water memory my own self and my conscious biology. Two bodies water images floating telling me advice.

So I understood oh he caused the exact outcome as origin earths beginning as fresh water first. Except his a flooded earth by causes now the sea.

Says as man after ice age theist I am the God that did it. Water memory vision like I saw.

A copy.

As origin earth stone rock became stone rock by water as mass plus pressure. No life in water then as it was ice off the moon that saved earth.

His attack all life destroyed also flooded earth is why he argues. He had in fact caused it as a man's god term.

As memory told him he caused it himself.

Mr you aren't any God. It's just water memory.

So earths natural life microbial water and insects went into snap frozen fusion. As proof.

But life not living again now began in sea water. Fresh water in underground caverns was held pressurised.

Why living natural water microorganisms began life with no light but with fresh water first. Deep in the pressured ocean.

How it was forced deep down under the man caused flooded earth.

So when balances emerged by space pressure ground evaporation now the ocean mass left its evidence on mountains.

Waters ocean evaporation released earth pressure so fresh water popped out of underground holding.

Replaced.

So memory says by his causes life began in the sea. Yet life had been already pre living in land owned fresh water first off the asteroid ice.

So he is wrong claiming I was the God. But I learnt why man after the ice age star brain gas irradiated began lying again. About science owning gas burning light on the ground base.

As light exists in our heavens only not falling out.

Science theories now own fall out when it had been a one of unnatural event.

As they copy and held a ground reaction constant they lost natural consciousness and became totally human self possessed.

Is the actual bible warning no man is God.
 

Bird123

Well-Known Member
Me: "Gnostic Atheists say that there is no God. Nevertheless, scientists have not come to this Atheism's claim. Are you smarter than scientists? Why doesn't science say there is no God?"

She: "Do I think that scientists are madder than me? Atheists do not do this. The one who claims must prove the claim and not vice versa."

Me: Atheists make a lot of claims. For example, they say there is no God. Does this phrase carry absolutely no meaning and no information? If it does, then they claim that there is no God. So, atheists do claim, and not only their Atheism claims. Atheists repeat the claims of Atheism.

If you don't like the atheists "No belief in God"....
It carries no information. It is just definition of Atheism, which is simply "No God". No new info is presented by "No belief in God".

1. Most of humankind is perfectly sure, there is God. They even feel God and talk to God.
2. Most of humankind is not crazy.
This 1+2 is very strong evidence.

All theists are right in one dogma: There is God. Some theists, like Einstein, are wrong that the God is not a personal god; but they are right that there is God. Polytheists are right that there is God, but wrong about His quantity.


Burden of Proof. I hear so much noise on this yet the answer is so simple.

Burden of Proof rests on the one who seeks the knowledge. It is the only way to Discover the Real Truth rather than value mere Belief.

On the other hand, if one's goal is to convince others to Believe then the effort must come from the one who tries to get others to believe. Still, in the end what does one really have?

Why is it so important that others Believe? Isn't a much better goal to Discover the Real Truth rather than settle on Beliefs? Belief merely points a direction by which one might choose to search for the Truth.

That's what I see. It's very clear!!
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
Ok so in that case the burden proof is on you.


Prove to me that there are any authentic stegosaurus fossils.

I already posted evidence, The Natural History Museum has assembled a complete fossilised skeleton, and has it on display, as the article said there are over 80 specimens that have been found.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
You might consider, however, that there is also no hypothesis of God's existence in science yet. Therefore, it is not me being unscientific, but you.
No, there is conjecture of God's existence in Science: P vs NP Millennium Prize Problem.
It asks can the problems be solved easily,
God is omnipotent, so yes.
 

We Never Know

No Slack
If you think the claim is true, then you are affirming your belief that they taste crappy to you.

Nope. I not only claim they taste crappy, I "know" they do. There is no belief to it.

However you may like them so my claim would be wrong according to what you think about them.
 

questfortruth

Well-Known Member
Magic is defined as "the power of apparently influencing events by using mysterious or supernatural forces."
The dictionaries are written by sinners, atheists are sinners. They have written definition of magic with satanic agenda.
Please look for definition of miracle, wonder in dictionaries.
 

Sheldon

Veteran Member
The dictionaries are written by sinners, atheists are sinners. They have written definition of magic with satanic agenda.
Please look for definition of miracle, wonder in dictionaries.

Dictionaries are compiled from common usage, and I have twice posted that definition. The claim a deity's wonders were and would remain mysterious was yours not mine, and this defines them as magic. If you don't like dictionaries that's your problem, but I no more believe in Satan or sin than I do in any deity, so those claims are meaningless to me.
 
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leroy

Well-Known Member
I already posted evidence, The Natural History Museum has assembled a complete fossilised skeleton, and has it on display, as the article said there are over 80 specimens that have been found.
No thats not evidence

That is just an assertion
 

9-10ths_Penguin

1/10 Subway Stalinist
Premium Member
1 you dont have an explanation for why the universe is FT

2 if God exist, his existence would explain why the universe is FT
I'm not playing this game with you again.

If you had anything of value to share, I'm sure you would have brought it up in one of the 10 other times you tried to take a thread down this ridiculous rabbit hole.

You've used up my patience.

But appart from stegosaurus there sre other possible explanations and some of these explanations are better ....agree ?
Any currently-unidentified poop in the forest doesn't have a known good explanation. If it had one, the poop wouldn't be unidentified.
 

rational experiences

Veteran Member
Thesis says science is direct to the subject I choose to review. As the human in present position holy.

I have dug up bones. The first position. Bones found layered beneath the ground mass.

Ground mass layering can shift by ooze oscillating rock mass that causes sink. Body would sink into ground mass change. Or a lot of water pushing mass over mass.

Floods can be singular earth body burnt ground positions. As sink holes try to open.

Science of man taught a flood saves life as it cools heavens burning gases and the ground gases spirit trying to open come alive arise. From dead cold tombs.

Was scientific advice.

So a man can theory I believe these giant boned creatures now became small boned creatures.

Congratulates your owned human egotism. Just by a story.

As those bones are dead. And real life is living without your thought constructs just a human being involved.

So science knows earths gas heavens humid alight pressures were different before... why giants lived. And we're thick skinned. Had cold blood.

No condition whatsoever like our small life.

So he said as a teacher I will impose a scientists law name it Satanism. No human is allowed to thesis the dead.

Dead of pre life on earth and dead tomb stone earth gases.

Don't believe the psyche heard voices of the dead either. In heavens medium.

Taught it exactly as it was taught. About AI.

Man reinvested in science belief when star fall returned from dinosaur death then irradiated some men's minds.

As only irradiated minds hear recorded voices speaking.

And as man's mind was the designer builder life controller of the machine it's obviously why humans were hurt and their minds were caused to hear the speaking voice.

Not our natural innocents fault. Science of men caused it.

Hurt minds own bad human brain chemical disturbance.

Listed all created human Mind types of choices that had been unnaturally introduced. Was a scientists human observation.

Said the mutual human pairing of parents sexuality was changed by man's scientific caused interference. By recorded at ground where unnatural spirit imagery of deceased humans and pre lived animals.

That wander the earth attacking affecting the natural human life body and behaviours.

It was an observed scientific cause and effect. It was known. It was observed.

As water left its natural ground life support historical place.
 
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