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Burden of proof
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
What is your proof of that? To me it has no proof. It is a belief.
It is an accepted philosophy in law and in public discourse.
"When two parties are in a discussion and one makes a claim that the other disputes, the one who makes the claim typically has a burden of proof to justify or substantiate that claim especially when it challenges a perceived status quo.[1] This is also stated in Hitchens's razor, which declares that "what may be asserted without evidence, may be dismissed without evidence." Carl Sagan proposed a related criterion – "extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence" – which is known as the Sagan standard.[2]"
Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia
Of course, you are free to believe that an accepted philosophy is "a belief." I won't waste my time an energy arguing with you about philosophy vs. belief.Burden of proof (philosophy) - Wikipedia
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Pardon?
That's great news. How come the God you worship advocates killing gays? And why would you worship such a God?
Irrelevant, as noted. They weren't following the Biblical God's orders then.
And this guy disagrees with you:
Israel Chief Rabbi Amar condemned for 'gay death penalty' comment
Killing people for being gay (something they have no choice over) is "for our greater and individual good?" How's that? What kind of God creates gay people and then dictates that they must be killed? And that's after declaring "Thou shalt not kill" earlier on in "his" other commandments.
Why should we believe what the Bible says? Killing people for being gay doesn't say "love" to me. Why does it say it to you?
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
It's how logic works.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Logic is cognitive and not empirical. I can't with logic prove that there is computer screen in front of me.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Evidence is not the same of proof.
That for A is B and B is C, thus A is C is not the same as I have evidence that biological evolution is based on scientific evidence.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
"Burden of proof is a philosophical concept that refers to the obligation to provide supporting evidence for a claim. It plays an important role in a variety of argumentation contexts, and it’s a key principle to making valid statements; all logical arguments need to have sufficient evidence to back up their conclusions."
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, but logic and epistemology is not the same. So proof in logic is not the same as epistemology. So in effect proof of something might not be the same as evidence. Or the logic of something is not the same as the observation of something.
As for burden of proof that is a norm and neither with proof or evidence.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Burden of proof falls on the person making a/the claim. That's the point. That's it.
Otherwise, sorry, but I find the semantics of this rather tedious and pointless.
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Perhaps if I knew what you were trying to say.Yeah, that is in the an emotion. Do you have proof?
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Perhaps if I knew what you were trying to say.
The rule of burden of proof is a cultural norm and itself without proof, logic or evidence. You don't have to believe in it. It connects to different versions of truth and even dismissal of truth.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Yes, rigid application of almost any law could lead to issues--I'm glad you can understand nuances, and that I can understand them also.
Mostly God's Law is ultimate/absolute good--but JESUS CHRIST broke the Law when making certain points. HE is ultimate good!
BilliardsBall
Veteran Member
Jewish history records a number of Torah punishments that were never carried out at anytime.
Per my understanding, if there's a Bible Law that says "atheists should be stoned" that is a warning to atheists even if none die of stoning.
My other point was the greater good may mean abrogating a law. Jesus broke Torah Law!
mikkel_the_dane
My own religion
Yeah, that is your belief. I believe differently about God and Jesus Christ.
SkepticThinker
Veteran Member
Okay so morals are absolute, except when they're not? Is that it?
That's not surprising to me, as a situational ethicist, but it doesn't do much for your "absolute" position, does it?