By Faith. Why?

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I don't think Paul was talking about temporal love when he said, [Charity] 'Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth;' [1 Corinthians 13:6]

But Paul is known to say whatever his audience wants to hear.

 

[3rdAngel]

Perhaps you should learn. What do makes something a fact?

Maybe that is the question you need to ask yourself.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

No amount of falsehood or collusion would enable men to write the Bible.

A good portion is just government bylaws and propaganda.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Would he have struggled to survive at a cost to his fellow prisoners? Or would he have held the hand of the child entering the gas chamber?

If I recall, he often ran from mobs.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

If you know of a greater love than that shown by Jesus then l'd like you to be explicit and name the individual who demonstrated that love.

So who is it?

Harriet Tubman?

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Jesus saw himself, the Christ, in the scriptures

People do that now.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

You appear to have become the judge of God's word. You pick and choose the bits you find agreeable and cast out the bits you don't like.

In Revelation 22:18,19, it says, 'For l testify unto every man that hear the words of the prophecy of this book, lf any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues of that are written in this book:
And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things that are written in this book.'

Now, l don't think 'this book' is a reference to the book of Revelation alone. Moses gave (from God) the same warning to those that handled the Torah.

What you are doing, in contravention of God's command, is to 'take away' parts of the scripture.

What is basically a copyright warning doesn’t make it true.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So, do you accept that God resolves the sin of humanity eternally by giving his only begotten Son? [John 3:16]

No, as it clearly wasn’t necessary throughout the whole Bible.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

I could understand you better if you said that you rejected Jesus, but to accept Jesus and reject the church, his body, is a nonsense

Because one is supposedly a messiah while the other is an organization that wants political power.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

Jesus was not offering eternal life in a prison

He was also offering what he couldn’t give. He said to fear God because God can our souls. If He can kill us (again), then we cannot trust the eternal life carrot.

 

[Kelly of the Phoenix]

So, the Church is led by the Good Shepherd, which is God in Christ

Shepherds fatten their flock to eat them.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Maybe that is the question you need to ask yourself.

I am always willing to learn. Hard core believers tend to only want to believe. That they are probably wrong does not seem to bother them..

There is a difference between knowledge and belief. Belief may make you feel good. but it is far too easy to be wrong. I would rather be right than wrong, even if that nice warm comfort of ignorance is interrupted.

 

[3rdAngel]

I am always willing to learn. Hard core believers tend to only want to believe. That they are probably wrong does not seem to bother them..

There is a difference between knowledge and belief. Belief may make you feel good. but it is far too easy to be wrong. I would rather be right than wrong, even if that nice warm comfort of ignorance is interrupted.

Please forgive me but I do not believe you. Belief can also lead to knowledge to those opened to learn what is true. I have no doubt that what I believe is true. You however will always have that burning question over your head "what if I am wrong?" There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. We will know soon enough who is right and who is wrong. Until then we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.

 

[shunyadragon]

I gave my reference of Deut 21:10-14 showing your reference proved no such thing, and you did not give one that Hebrew women were bought as slaves by Hebrews. But to be truthful, I did not expect any such thing, unless you could hook up a printer to your own thoughts.

Deuteronomy 21:10–14

10 When you go out to war against your enemies, and the Lord your God hands them over to you and you take them captive, 11 suppose you see among the captives a beautiful woman whom you desire and want to marry, 12 and so you bring her home to your house: she shall shave her head, pare her nails, 13 discard her captive’s garb, and shall remain in your house a full month, mourning for her father and mother; after that you may go in to her and be her husband, and she shall be your wife. 14 But if you are not satisfied with her, you shall let her go free and not sell her for money. You must not treat her as a slave, since you have dishonored her.

Incomplete as other references provided with a more complete understanding.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Please forgive me but I do not believe you. Belief can also lead to knowledge to those opened to learn what is true. I have no doubt that what I believe is true. You however will always have that burning question over your head "what if I am wrong?" There is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. We will know soon enough who is right and who is wrong. Until then we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.

How rude. But you do not have to believe me. You can learn and see for yourself.


Why are you afraid to learn? Is your faith that weak? It seems that you are afraid that reality will show your beliefs to be wrong.

And there may not be a "judgement day". That may just be a pipedream of yours. Perhaps the first question that you should as yourself is why do you believe in an evil God.

 

[3rdAngel]

How rude. But you do not have to believe me. You can learn and see for yourself.


Why are you afraid to learn? Is your faith that weak? It seems that you are afraid that reality will show your beliefs to be wrong.

And there may not be a "judgement day". That may just be a pipedream of yours. Perhaps the first question that you should as yourself is why do you believe in an evil God.

Telling the truth is not being rude dear friend. It is being honest and loving. If no one told you the truth than you would have an excuse not to believe God and His Word. You on the other hand continue making claims you are unable to prove. As posted earlier, there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day and you can keep telling yourself there is no God to quieten your conscious but you will always have the question in the back of your mind "what if I am wrong?" I will continue only hoping the best for you SZ and of course we will agree to disagree. You call God evil because you do not believe in Him or know Him although you once did know him. I call him a God of love because I know Him and He knows me and you dishonor Him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Telling the truth is not being rude dear friend. It is being honest and loving. You on the other hand continue making claims you are unable to prove. As posted earlier, there is nothing hidden that shall not be revealed come judgement day. Until then we will of course agree to disagree. You call God evil because you do not believe in Him or know Him. I call him a God of love because I know Him and He knows me and you dishonor Him.

It depends on how one says it.

Now what claim of mine do you think that I cannot support? When it comes to science questions the odds are that I can, in the matters of science you do appear to be rather uneducated. And if you refuse to learn I cannot support it for you, but for any person willing to reason rationally I could support it.

And no, I call your version of God evil because he is demonstrably evil. Especially in the Old Testament. But if you are unwilling to reason rationally you will never see it.

 

[3rdAngel]

It depends on how one says it.

Now what claim of mine do you think that I cannot support? When it comes to science questions the odds are that I can, in the matters of science you do appear to be rather uneducated. And if you refuse to learn I cannot support it for you, but for any person willing to reason rationally I could support it.

And no, I call your version of God evil because he is demonstrably evil. Especially in the Old Testament. But if you are unwilling to reason rationally you will never see it.

All you need to do is go and visit the other thread "The Lords day is not Sunday" to see that you were unable and unwilling to support anything you were claiming with evidence. Perhaps it is you who is unwilling to reason rationally which is why you would always run away from a discussion when asked for evidence to support what you were claiming there which is why we will of course agree to disagree. As posted earlier, you call God evil because you do not believe in Him or know Him. I call him a God of love because I know Him and He knows me and you dishonor Him.

 

[Subduction Zone]

All you need to do is go and visit the other thread "The Lords day is not Sunday" to see that you were unable and unwilling to support anything you were claiming with evidence. Perhaps it is you who is unwilling to reason rationally which is why you would always run away from a discussion when asked for evidence to support what you were claiming there which is why we will of course agree to disagree.

What are you talking about? The person that I was debating with was constantly running away. There is no way to support one's claims when one's opponent is afraid to enter into an honest discussion.


EDIT: Oh, that was you. Sorry. We can't have discussions together. There would be trouble for both of us.

 

[3rdAngel]

What are you talking about? The person that I was debating with was constantly running away. There is no way to support one's claims when one's opponent is afraid to enter into an honest discussion.EDIT: Oh, that was you. Sorry. We can't have discussions together. There would be trouble for both of us.

Its there for all to see who is telling the truth and who is not in the other thread. I believe you are not being honest. I agree that its best for us to agree to disagree. I will leave it between you and God and hope only the best for you.

Take Care.