By Faith. Why?

[2ndpillar]

The church/king cabal had far more
control of everything in Europe than
any commie / socialist country.

The "church cabal" was fractured at the time of the reformation, and their powerful kings, the sons of Queen Victoria, all fell at the end of WWI. Queen Elizabeth was a hanger on, with her church relegated to the fractured church of England, and she didn't revert to fascist suppression of free speech in any meaningful way. Her son isn't even getting to be on the Australian currency anymore. The same will probably happen with Canada and England itself. No one likes the new Progressive king, or his youngest son. Except for the Progressive green movement, which is fascist in methods, the king nor his youngest son, have any support. Not that they don't try.

 

[2ndpillar]

But they were there. Jesus himself chose them. And John the Baptist witnessed to the coming of Jesus. And Malachi prophecies John's coming [Malachi 3:1], as does lsaiah [lsaiah 40:3].

Keep in mind that Yeshua chose Judas Iscariot per the message of the bread of life (Zechariah 11:12-13), as well as the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), who was Peter, who didn't "feed, care, or tend the sheep" (Zechariah 11:16). Judas was fed the "bread of life" manually, by which Satan entered Judas (John 13:27), but Peter ate it also. Malachi 3 is about when "the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD", and he will "purify the sons of Levi". I am not sure, but I don't see that playing out at this time, a time "when you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between when one serves God and one who does not serve him" Malachi 3:18). I think you have got the cart before the horse. As Yeshua taught in Revelation 11, two witness will be sent, and slain, and remain 3 days and a half, in the streets. At that time the nations/Gentiles will be in the courtyard outside the temple treading under the holy city for forty-two months (Revelation 11:2), probably the time times, and half a time that the "king" (Constantine), by way of his Roman church, has trodden down the saints (Daniel 7:25). Isaiah 40:3 is a message to "Jerusalem" when "warfare has ended". That happens after Zechariah 14, when the "nations"/Gentiles will be crushed, and the "king" will rule from Jerusalem, and the nations will come to bow once a year before the king (Zechariah 14:16). I think again, you are getting the cart before the horse.

 

[Audie]

The "church cabal" was fractured at the time of the reformation, and their powerful kings, the sons of Queen Victoria, all fell at the end of WWI. Queen Elizabeth was a hanger on, with her church relegated to the fractured church of England, and she didn't revert to fascist suppression of free speech in any meaningful way. Her son isn't even getting to be on the Australian currency anymore. The same will probably happen with Canada and England itself. No one likes the new Progressive king, or his youngest son. Except for the Progressive green movement, which is fascist in methods, the king nor his youngest son, have any support. Not that they don't try.

There you go. Hundreds of years of more control than any Marxist state.

 

[2ndpillar]

Oh my!! Anyone that says "just theories" has already lost the argument.

Anyone who says they have a general theory which includes gravity is probably following the former gods of science. A theory is a best guess, and the best guess is only close, but they did not grab the ring. But hope is eternal, and the gods of science are on the way. Did you see the YouTube about the very very young kids who are like graduating college at 7 to 12 years old and are teaching everyone new tricks. The best "guess" provided was that they are "sky children", children of the heavenly watchers, whose unused DNA, has come to life. I suggest that you ask one of them to help you in your best guess pursuits.

 

[shunyadragon]

If you believe that Genesis is a creation myth without deeper prophetic meaning then you have clearly never studied any Jewish commentaries on the creation accounts. To take one example, the idea of the day as a thousand years is applied by rabbis to the days of creation in Genesis 1. This is found in Sanhedrin 97a-97b in the Talmud and has links to the coming of the Messiah. It also appears in the writings of Peter [2 Peter 3:8]

Genesis is in reality an evolved form of Creation mythology in the whole history of writen litersaure of the Middle East.

The problem for those who view the Bible as the literature of man is that some interpretations are only made possible by additional prophetic utterances. Man does not have the foresight to create a book that unfolds in this way.

The Bible as literature is a very valid view as is the scripture of a;; religions whether or not one also believes in a degree of Divine guidance.

I never said that Genesis did not have 'possible deeper meaning; I do not agree with the interpretation of traditional Theist belief the concept of Original Sin and the Fall. I have studies Jewish commentaries, and I will give them a yes and no on my agreement. I will negate the value in explaining the Original Sin and the Fall, any belief as the first human in the time frame of Genesis. Genesis itself definitely represents an evolved mythology as old as Sumerian writings and likely earlier as oral mythology. Humans have had the foresight to create this type if literature going back to Sumerian writings, Gilgamesh, Zoroastrian scripture, and the writings of Hinduism and Buddhism.

To suggest that l'm reaching these conclusions unaided is very flattering but wholly untrue.

No flattery intended. It is common for people over the millennia ro come up with many variable and conflicting interpretation on their own. How you reach these conclusions is likely basically from a traditional Christian perspective possibly modified as one of many. I do not negate the possibility of a degree of guidance, but I reject the necessity of such guidance.[/QUOTE]

 

[Subduction Zone]

Anyone who says they have a general theory which includes gravity is probably following the former gods of science. A theory is a best guess, and the best guess is only close, but they did not grab the ring. But hope is eternal, and the gods of science are on the way. Did you see the YouTube about the very very young kids who are like graduating college at 7 to 12 years old and are teaching everyone new tricks. The best "guess" provided was that they are "sky children", children of the heavenly watchers, whose unused DNA, has come to life. I suggest that you ask one of them to help you in your best guess pursuits.

Sorry, no "gods of science". Why accuse others of your wrong doings?

Do you have anything of substance or did you just want to tell us how you do not understand science again?

 

[2ndpillar]

There you go. Hundreds of years of more control than any Marxist state.

The problem with your observation is that the Marxist fascist state, the states repressing people and information are now in control, and your churches are "falling" as we speak (Matthew 7:24-27). China's Confucius taught the same message as Yeshua, which was to do unto others as you would have them do to you, the same message of Budha. The message of the Progressives is the end justifies the means, and Katie bar the door as with respect to the means. Half of the German Catholic church is trying to break away Half of the U.S. Methodist church is trying to break away. They will probably be successful in breaking away, but they will most likely "fall" regardless.

 

[Subduction Zone]

The problem with your observation is that the Marxist fascist state, the states repressing people and information are now in control, and your churches are "falling" as we speak (Matthew 7:24-27). China's Confucius taught the same message as Yeshua, which was to do unto others as you would have them do to you, the same message of Budha. The message of the Progressives is the end justifies the means, and Katie bar the door as with respect to the means. Half of the German Catholic church is trying to break away Half of the U.S. Methodist church is trying to break away. They will probably be successful in breaking away, but they will most likely "fall" regardless.

Marxism is the opposite of fascism. You support fascism to an extreme amount by your standards.

 

[3rdAngel]

You have shown prove for nothing except referring to the false apostle Paul of Ephesus (Revelation 2:2) for the foundation of your viewpoint, and whose writings corresponds to your false perception of reality. Your definition of "scripture" relies on a viewpoint regarding the testimony of the false prophet Paul per 2 Timothy 3:15. Self-witnessing is "not true" (John 5:13). You can twist and turn all you want, but your testimony based on the twisted testimony of Paul, will not straighten with time. As the "Word" states in Jeremiah 31:30, "everyone will die for their own iniquities". One suffers from their own transgressions, and not from the transgressions of their fathers" (Jeremiah 31:29). Your message is the message of the "serpent" (Genesis 3:4), which is "you surely shall not die", whereas the "Word of God" says, "everyone will die" (Jeremiah 31:30). Either Paul is correct, and "we shall not all sleep/die", or the "Word of God" is correct. Your choice, and your "sour grapes".

John 5:31 King James Version 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Perhaps you should open your eyes and read the posts and the scripture and questions provided in them that are in disagreement with you that you refuse to respond to that prove your witness is not true. If Gods Word is the very standard of what truth is according to Jesus in John 17:17 and you choose to deny the truth of Gods Word then how can your witness be true when you deny what truth (scriptures) is with your words that are not Gods Word? Your own words testify against you that you do not know the truth and what you post has no truth in it. It seems sour grapes is what you are eating by being unwilling to enter into a discussion here. Once again your post content is incoherent and unrelated to the posts you have been responding to so we will agree to disagree.

Take Care.

 

[Audie]

The problem with your observation is that the Marxist fascist state, the states repressing people and information are now in control, and your churches are "falling" as we speak (Matthew 7:24-27). China's Confucius taught the same message as Yeshua, which was to do unto others as you would have them do to you, the same message of Budha. The message of the Progressives is the end justifies the means, and Katie bar the door as with respect to the means. Half of the German Catholic church is trying to break away Half of the U.S. Methodist church is trying to break away. They will probably be successful in breaking away, but they will most likely "fall" regardless.

They are not my churches and I am
indifferent to their failure.

They've no place here anyway, afaic.

 

[Redemptionsong]

Keep in mind that Yeshua chose Judas Iscariot per the message of the bread of life (Zechariah 11:12-13), as well as the "worthless shepherd" (Zechariah 11:17), who was Peter, who didn't "feed, care, or tend the sheep" (Zechariah 11:16). Judas was fed the "bread of life" manually, by which Satan entered Judas (John 13:27), but Peter ate it also. Malachi 3 is about when "the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasing to the LORD", and he will "purify the sons of Levi". I am not sure, but I don't see that playing out at this time, a time "when you will again distinguish between the righteous and the wicked, between when one serves God and one who does not serve him" Malachi 3:18). I think you have got the cart before the horse. As Yeshua taught in Revelation 11, two witness will be sent, and slain, and remain 3 days and a half, in the streets. At that time the nations/Gentiles will be in the courtyard outside the temple treading under the holy city for forty-two months (Revelation 11:2), probably the time times, and half a time that the "king" (Constantine), by way of his Roman church, has trodden down the saints (Daniel 7:25). Isaiah 40:3 is a message to "Jerusalem" when "warfare has ended". That happens after Zechariah 14, when the "nations"/Gentiles will be crushed, and the "king" will rule from Jerusalem, and the nations will come to bow once a year before the king (Zechariah 14:16). I think again, you are getting the cart before the horse.

I don't accept your interpretation of scripture, because the message you proclaim cannot be upheld consistently. As mentioned in previous posts, if you have to chop up the scriptures to make it fit then it can only be a personal opinion.

Malachi 3:1 (using Christian verses), talks about two different messengers. One (John the Baptist) is sent by the Lord, whilst the other lS the Lord, the 'messenger of the covenant'.

Which covenant do you think this refers to?

 

[2ndpillar]

I don't accept your interpretation of scripture, because the message you proclaim cannot be upheld consistently. As mentioned in previous posts, if you have to chop up the scriptures to make it fit then it can only be a personal opinion.

Malachi 3:1 (using Christian verses), talks about two different messengers. One (John the Baptist) is sent by the Lord, whilst the other lS the Lord, the 'messenger of the covenant'.

Which covenant do you think this refers to?

There were to be two messengers, one being John the Baptist, and the other Yeshua per Revelation 11, both slain, and the message was with respect to the coming of the Lord (Matthew 24:29-30), which comes "immediately after the tribulation".... when the "sun will be darkened", as in the narrative of Joel 2 & 3, pertaining to the "day of the LORD". Your message is the one that is inconsistent with the whole message of the LAW and the prophets, which includes Yeshua's message. If you look in the ark of the "covenant" (Revelation 11:19), you will not find the false gospel of grace, but the Commandments which are required of "every person" (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

 

[2ndpillar]

They are not my churches and I am
indifferent to their failure.

They've no place here anyway, afaic.

Well, then they are no longer part of the continuing fascist destruction of free speech in your life which has now been taken over by the Progressive socialist left elites, such as the current leaders of the US administration and of Russia and Chinese leadership.

 

[2ndpillar]

Marxism is the opposite of fascism. You support fascism to an extreme amount by your standards.

The current socialist Progressives of the current US administration, supported by the recent support of the Democratic wing of Congress, which has just voted in support of socialism, has been Fascist in their suppression of free speech. It was generally associated with Mussolini, but applies to the national socialist, Nazis, as well. Fascism includes both the left and the right, which is defined by the Fascist left as being of the right.
Fascism is a government led by a dictator who controls every aspect of the society putting the wealthy minority on top. Fascism supports totalitarian single-party state.

fas·cism

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Wikipedia

 

[Audie]

Well, then they are no longer part of the continuing fascist destruction of free speech in your life which has now been taken over by the Progressive socialist left elites, such as the current leaders of the US administration and of Russia and Chinese leadership.

Sigh

 

[Subduction Zone]

The current socialist Progressives of the current US administration, supported by the recent support of the Democratic wing of Congress, which has just voted in support of socialism, has been Fascist in their suppression of free speech. It was generally associated with Mussolini, but applies to the national socialist, Nazis, as well. Fascism includes both the left and the right, which is defined by the Fascist left as being of the right.
Fascism is a government led by a dictator who controls every aspect of the society putting the wealthy minority on top. Fascism supports totalitarian single-party state.

fas·cism

1. an authoritarian and nationalistic right-wing system of government and social organization.

Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation and race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.
Wikipedia

Yes, and that is what you support. And we are talking your standards here. You call anyone even slightly left of center "Marxist". You need to be consistent. By that standard any Republican is fascist.

Do you not see that you calling Republicans fascist is a problem?

 

[Redemptionsong]

There were to be two messengers, one being John the Baptist, and the other Yeshua per Revelation 11, both slain, and the message was with respect to the coming of the Lord (Matthew 24:29-30), which comes "immediately after the tribulation".... when the "sun will be darkened", as in the narrative of Joel 2 & 3, pertaining to the "day of the LORD". Your message is the one that is inconsistent with the whole message of the LAW and the prophets, which includes Yeshua's message. If you look in the ark of the "covenant" (Revelation 11:19), you will not find the false gospel of grace, but the Commandments which are required of "every person" (Ecclesiastes 12:13)

The commandments were not being kept by Israel under the law.

There needs to be a change of heart and spirit to keep the law.

Jeremiah 31:31-34.
'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that l will make a new covenant with the house of lsrael, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that l made with their fathers in the day that l took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although l was an husband to them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that l will make with the house of lsrael; After those days, saith the LORD, l will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and l will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall no more teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me , from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for l will forgive their iniquity, and l will remember their sin no more.'

When do you think the new covenant will come into force? When will the sins of lsrael be forgiven?

I believe l know the answer, but it appears that you do not!

 

[2ndpillar]

The commandments were not being kept by Israel under the law.

There needs to be a change of heart and spirit to keep the law.

Jeremiah 31:31-34.
'Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that l will make a new covenant with the house of lsrael, and with the house of Judah:
Not according to the covenant that l made with their fathers in the day that l took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although l was an husband to them, saith the LORD:
But this shall be the covenant that l will make with the house of lsrael; After those days, saith the LORD, l will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and l will be their God, and they shall be my people.
And they shall no more teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me , from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for l will forgive their iniquity, and l will remember their sin no more.'

When do you think the new covenant will come into force? When will the sins of lsrael be forgiven?

I believe l know the answer, but it appears that you do not!

The new spirit and new heart happens after the house of Israel is taken out of the nations (Ezekiel 36:24-28) when they will be resettled in the "land that I gave to your forefathers", under the leadership of David (Ezekiel 37:15-28). At that time "they will walk in My ordinances, and keep My statutes, and observe them." (Ezekiel 37:24). At that time "they will no longer defile themselves" and "I will cleanse them" (Ezekiel 37:23). The covenant that the Gentile church follows is the "covenant with death" which "shall not stand" (Isaiah 28:18), which is better known as the gospel of grace/cross. And as stated in Ezekiel 37, the house of Ephraim/Israel, and the house of Judah, have not been joined, and will not be joined until after the "day of the LORD", when the nations/Gentiles are "crushed", and the "kingdom" is established "forever". (Daniel 2:44-45).

 

[2ndpillar]

Yes, and that is what you support. And we are talking your standards here. You call anyone even slightly left of center "Marxist". You need to be consistent. By that standard any Republican is fascist.

Do you not see that you calling Republicans fascist is a problem?

It is the Progressive left who call conservatives Fascist. Fascist such as Hitler, Mussolini, and Constantine, were best known for burning books. The Progressives simply suppress information by means of their Progressive elite Tech and media owners spiking stories, such as the Hunter Biden lap top story just before the last election. That and the false covid narrative will come back to bite them in the b*tt. Doctor Malone interview"
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=67b3...nZpZXcrd2l0aCtkcittYWxvbmUmRk9STT1WRFJF&ntb=1

 

[Subduction Zone]

It is the Progressive left who call conservatives Fascist. Fascist such as Hitler, Mussolini, and Constantine, were best known for burning books. The Progressives simply suppress information by means of their Progressive elite Tech and media owners spiking stories, such as the Hunter Biden lap top story just before the last election. That and the false covid narrative will come back to bite them in the b*tt. Doctor Malone interview"
https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=67b3...nZpZXcrd2l0aCtkcittYWxvbmUmRk9STT1WRFJF&ntb=1

No, it is extremists that do that. And you appear to be one yourself. You abuse terms like "Marxist" all of the time. That is no different from others calling you a fasicst.

Do you not understand that by your own standards you are a fascist?

Can you reason rationally? A simple yes or not will do.

And Dr. Malone has lowered himself to the level of a quack. That millions died is easily shown.

OMG!!! Tucker Carlson interview? Are you kidding me? Malone might as well hung a sign on his head stating "I'm with stupid".


FOX News, when they were sued because of something that Tucker Carlson said came up with the "Tucker Carson Defense":

https://www.npr.org/2020/09/29/9177...s-tucker-carlson-tells-you-so-say-fox-s-lawye

Fox's own lawyers said that you cannot trust anything that Carlson says.