By the Power of "Jesus'" Name!

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Sure, we have all heard...

"By the Power of Jesus' Name, be healed!"
"In the Name of Jesus, we pray"
"Jesus! The Name exalted above all Names!"

but this name "Jesus",
to Whom does it refer?
After all, surely we all know that "Jesus'" 'name'
was not Jesus at all.

Does it matter to you that your savior,
going by the NAME of Jesus, never existed?

There was possibly once a Y'shua, yes,
who fits the basic historical identity of your savior.
(or some other very similar Hebrew name)

So why then is the name 'Jesus' more powerful and exalted
than the name Y'shua? ,
which would have much more likely ACTUALLY BEEN/BE your "saviors" Name--
the Name given him by his father.
Why would you rename God's Son,
and then exalt your Own name for him in place of His Own Father's?

And if you pray and do miracles by the power of a name
that never really belonged to anyone in particular,
or to anyone in specific who actually ever did hold that name,
who/where does the supposed power of that name
actually come from?


By the Power of "Jesus'" Name!

Think about it very literally.
It begs the question,

Who was/is the"Jesus" of this statement... and What is his Name?
(as we know that the christian savior's ACTUAL Hebrew name was most certainly Not 'Jesus')

By the Power of Jesus' Holy Name!

So WHAT IS his Holy Name then?
and exactly WHO is 'he'?
Is Jesus just another guy living down in Mexico?

What makes this name "J-e-s-u-s" a thing of great authenticity ?
In what way is it not a counterfeit?
and is the power of a counterfeit name
,by extension, not a counterfeit power?

(thread directed mainly towards christians
and anyone else who has anything constructive or insightful to add.)

 

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I cleaned up my thread.
I saw it was a bit confusing
and hopefully it is more clear now,
what I'm trying to get at.

I'm not trying to be obnoxious here either.
It is a serious query for me.
Even for the last couple years of my own time
as a self proclaimed christian
I personally used the name Y'shua,
and only 'Jesus' when speaking with other christians
who would not have been comfortable,
and who might actually have been offended
with my calling "Jesus" by his actual name.
(which I always found strange)

Anyhow,
I hope my questions are clearer now,
and I TRULY hope for a number of Christian responses.
I would like a thoughtful respectful discussion.

Thanks.

 

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If no one actually ever responds,
perhaps I will throw out some possibilities?

First idea:
Maybe you feel a Word/Name holds it's power
in respect to the intent of it's user,
as opposed to any power it might actually hold/poses of it's own.
(innately)

 

[rsd]

After all, surely we all know that "Jesus'" 'name'
was not Jesus at all.

Kind of a lot of questions but this caught my attention as I started to read. I think this is a mistaken idea on your part. By assuming this as so true, if is not, then your whole line of thinking will be over there instead of where it will bring you happiness.

As far as a can of soda, calling out, "coke, coke, coke", on a hot day doesn't wet your tongue one bit. The name IS DIFFERENT from the object. But this is not so in the spiritual realm. This is one of the keys to religious understanding.

The name of God is not different from God Himself. This is just the way it is. So when you pray and call out God's Holy Name, you are associating with God directly.

 

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After all, surely we all know that "Jesus'" 'name'
was not Jesus at all.

Kind of a lot of questions but this caught my attention as I started to read. I think this is a mistaken idea on your part. By assuming this as so true, if is not, then your whole line of thinking will be over there instead of where it will bring you happiness.

As far as a can of soda, calling out, "coke, coke, coke", on a hot day doesn't wet your tongue one bit. The name IS DIFFERENT from the object. But this is not so in the spiritual realm. This is one of the keys to religious understanding.

The name of God is not different from God Himself. This is just the way it is. So when you pray and call out God's Holy Name, you are associating with God directly.

Let me ask you,

If your name (birth/given/legal/preferred) was Bob
and people started calling you Percival,
even lots of people,
almost EVERYONE,
would that (somehow) make your name Percival?

And...
would you feel you should even respond (to said name)?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Who was/is the"Jesus" of this statement... and What is his Name?
(as we know that the christian savior's ACTUAL Hebrew name was most certainly Not 'Jesus')

By the Power of Jesus' Holy Name!

So WHAT IS his Holy Name then?
and exactly WHO is 'he'?
Is Jesus just another guy living down in Mexico?

What makes this name "J-e-s-u-s" a thing of great authenticity ?
In what way is it not a counterfeit?
and is the power of a counterfeit name
,by extension, not a counterfeit power?

(thread directed mainly towards christians
and anyone else who has anything constructive or insightful to add.)

First of all, and most important to your point, the whole distinction that you're trying to make between Yeshua, Jesus, and Hey-sus is downright silly. These "names" are all transliterations of the same name. Not everyone speaks Greek or Hebrew, and the pronounciation of the name changes according to language conventions. That should not be difficult to understand.

The "power" of Jesus's name is attributed to it by belief. Most Christians believe that Jesus died and rose from the grave, and the power of that resurrection is brought to mind by the name of the person who was resurrected to save the world. This shouldn't be difficult, either.

 

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Let me ask you,

If your name (birth/given/legal/preferred) was Bob
and people started calling you Percival,
even lots of people,
almost EVERYONE,
would that (somehow) make your name Percival?

And...
would you feel you should even respond (to said name)?

And If you decided to just respond to Percival,
because that was what everyone else decided to call you,
would that change your identity as Bob?

 

[Onkara]

Hi UV
The "name" has powerful meaning in Sikh and Hindu Dharmic philosophy also. There are esoteric reasons but briefly, the name itself may not be as important as the thoughts or feelings associated with the name.

I put this forward as it is an interesting topic you have started, but I can only assume "Christ" or "Jesus" holds special significance for Christians.

EDIT: Just seen Angellous' reply, so perhaps it isn't just a specific name.

 

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First of all, and most important to your point, the whole distinction that you're trying to make between Yeshua, Jesus, and Hey-sus is downright silly. These "names" are all transliterations of the same name. Not everyone speaks Greek or Hebrew, and the pronounciation of the name changes according to language conventions. That should not be difficult to understand.

The "power" of Jesus's name is attributed to it by belief. Most Christians believe that Jesus died and rose from the grave, and the power of that resurrection is brought to mind by the name of the person who was resurrected to save the world. This shouldn't be difficult, either.

Well, to you it is silly,
but to me personally
such a drastic change in my name
as to make it a completely different name...
well the other simply wouldn't be my name.

I would in no way pretend to speak for the man you call the Christ, of course.

As for the rest,
unfortunately I don't have the time right now.
However, I appreciate your response.

I'm sorry you feel the topic is silly.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Well, to you it is silly,
but to me personally
such a drastic change in my name
as to make it a completely different name...
well the other simply wouldn't be my name.

I would in no way pretend to speak for the man you call the Christ, of course.

As for the rest,
unfortunately I don't have the time right now.
However, I appreciate your response.

I'm sorry you feel the topic is silly.

I don't mean anything personal about the silliness. I'm just sick of seeing that same mistake made over and over and over again.

As for your name - would you expect people all over the world to pronounce your name exactly as you do? Especially when the alaphabet is different and the spelling rules differ?

Even people in different parts of your country would pronounce it differently, but that doesn't change who you are.

 

[Yanni]

You know what's very funny? Forget about his real name for a moment. Let's say it was Jesus. I have heard people take his name in vain SO, SO often, even in the bathroom! They talk about him and God and their Gospels IN THE BATHROOM, and while they are not clothed properly! In Judaism, there is a much different understanding of holiness than the Christians do. First of all, in the Ten Commandments, God says that we may not take His Name in vain; so, we Jews only say His actual Name in prayer or in Torah study. When not in prayer or Torah study, we must replace the actual pronunciation of His Name with the word "HaShem," which literally means "The Name," so as not to take His Name in vain. Second, our concept of holiness is that there are certain things, words, etc. that are special and must be set aside from others. Therefore, we may not talk about God or Torah in the bathroom, or when we are not clothed properly. It requires a certain discipline to set certain things aside and elevate them from ordinary speech or actions. So even if Jesus was his real name, why is it that Christians use his name so lightly and say it constantly, even in inappropriate settings?

 

[Desert Snake]

I think it is basically how the religion spread. Hebrew, Greek, and other languages including English all applied their own pronunciation to the name.

 

[Desert Snake]

You know what's very funny? Forget about his real name for a moment. Let's say it was Jesus. I have heard people take his name in vain SO, SO often, even in the bathroom! They talk about him and God and their Gospels IN THE BATHROOM, and while they are not clothed properly! In Judaism, there is a much different understanding of holiness than the Christians do. First of all, in the Ten Commandments, God says that we may not take His Name in vain; so, we Jews only say His actual Name in prayer or in Torah study. When not in prayer or Torah study, we must replace the actual pronunciation of His Name with the word "HaShem," which literally means "The Name," so as not to take His Name in vain. Second, our concept of holiness is that there are certain things, words, etc. that are special and must be set aside from others. Therefore, we may not talk about God or Torah in the bathroom, or when we are not clothed properly. It requires a certain discipline to set certain things aside and elevate them from ordinary speech or actions. So even if Jesus was his real name, why is it that Christians use his name so lightly and say it constantly, even in inappropriate settings?

As opposed to even what can be observed on RF?...C'mon......

 

[Desert Snake]

Sure, we have all heard...

"By the Power of Jesus' Name, be healed!"
"In the Name of Jesus, we pray"
"Jesus! The Name exalted above all Names!"

but this name "Jesus",
to Whom does it refer?
After all, surely we all know that "Jesus'" 'name'
was not Jesus at all.

Does it matter to you that your savior,
going by the NAME of Jesus, never existed?

There was possibly once a Y'shua, yes,
who fits the basic historical identity of your savior.
(or some other very similar Hebrew name)

So why then is the name 'Jesus' more powerful and exalted
than the name Y'shua? ,
which would have much more likely ACTUALLY BEEN/BE your "saviors" Name--
the Name given him by his father.
Why would you rename God's Son,
and then exalt your Own name for him in place of His Own Father's?

And if you pray and do miracles by the power of a name
that never really belonged to anyone in particular,
or to anyone in specific who actually ever did hold that name,
who/where does the supposed power of that name
actually come from?


By the Power of "Jesus'" Name!

Think about it very literally.
It begs the question,

Who was/is the"Jesus" of this statement... and What is his Name?
(as we know that the christian savior's ACTUAL Hebrew name was most certainly Not 'Jesus')

By the Power of Jesus' Holy Name!

So WHAT IS his Holy Name then?
and exactly WHO is 'he'?

Is Jesus just another guy living down in Mexico?

What makes this name "J-e-s-u-s" a thing of great authenticity ?
In what way is it not a counterfeit?
and is the power of a counterfeit name
,by extension, not a counterfeit power?

(thread directed mainly towards christians
and anyone else who has anything constructive or insightful to add.)

Latin is similar to Spanish.

 

[Rakhel]

Latin is similar to Spanish.

well yeah. Cuz Spanish evolved from Latin.

 

[Desert Snake]

well yeah. Cuz Spanish evolved from Latin.

Can someone who speaks spanish understand latin?...

 

[Rakhel]

No more than someone who speaks Spanish can understand Portuguese. Which is odd because the Portuguese can understand Spanish.

 

[Desert Snake]

No more than someone who speaks Spanish can understand Portuguese. Which is odd because the Portuguese can understand Spanish.

Really? That is weird...

 

[Rakhel]

Really? That is weird...

I have experienced this first hand. One was a Brazilian judge, the other was a hotel worker who was Brazilian himself. The some of the hotel maids were Hispanic but only spoke Spanish. When the to Brazilians spoke in their native tongue, the maids didn't understand them. However, when the maids spoke in their native tongue, the Brazilians understood.
It was an odd exchange.

 

[Desert Snake]

I have experienced this first hand. One was a Brazilian judge, the other was a hotel worker who was Brazilian himself. The some of the hotel maids were Hispanic but only spoke Spanish. When the to Brazilians spoke in their native tongue, the maids didn't understand them. However, when the maids spoke in their native tongue, the Brazilians understood.
It was an odd exchange.

hmmm...Actually if that's the case then they're quite similar.