By the way -- if you claim to be a Christian...

[2ndpillar]

Then you haven't made your point. I'm certainly not a Marxist.

A Marxist, as with DEI adherents, holds onto the concept of equity for all. In theory, it would include diversity and inclusion. That works well as long as someone else picks up the bill and does the work of others. In practice it includes corruption and nepotism. Kind of like Trudeau's family and friends being paid by the Progressive/Socialist government, or like the Vietnamese strong liberated woman realtor being judged guilty for fraud ($44 billion) and corruption and given the death penalty by her Communist government which is trying to reclaim the faith of its people. Cuba just shut off their equity of a bowl of a minimum caloric food package to everyone, and raised the price of fuel 500%, because Russia is no longer picking up the bill. Equity is the bulwark of woman's lib, which assumes that women are equal with men. Equal with men on the edges, but not in the main, except that men are getting weaker as we speak, but lib "woke" women, or men who claim to be women, seem to be getting crazier as time goes on. Progressives at heart are all Marxist. Let someone else do the work, and the elites will claim power, and the poor will get poorer. The Marxist Venezuelans have already eaten all of their zoo animals. When Trump gets into power, the Venezuelans who voted for a communist/socialist leader, will have to break through Canadas rigid border controls to eat the Progressive Toronto Zoo animals, now under the control of the Progressive Mayor, Olivia Chow.

Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

Truong My Lan started life as a market trader. Now, she has been convicted of stealing billions.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[SkepticThinker]

A Marxist, as with DEI adherents, holds onto the concept of equity for all.

That would be an egalitarian.

In theory, it would include diversity and inclusion.

So does secular humanism. And many other schools of thought.

That works well as long as someone else picks up the bill and does the work of others.

So you're asserting that we can only have equality, diversity and inclusion when "someone else picks up the bill and does the work of others?"
What does that even mean?

In practice it includes corruption and nepotism.

In practice, diversity and inclusion includes corruption and nepotism?
Nah.

Kind of like Trudeau's family and friends being paid by the Progressive/Socialist government,

The government pays the Prime Minister's salary, yep.

or like the Vietnamese strong liberated woman realtor being judged guilty for fraud ($44 billion) and corruption and given the death penalty by her Communist government which is trying to reclaim the faith of its people. Cuba just shut off their equity of a bowl of a minimum caloric food package to everyone, and raised the price of fuel 500%, because Russia is no longer picking up the bill.

Gish Gallop of random claims.

Equity is the bulwark of woman's lib, which assumes that women are equal with men.

All people are equal and should be afforded equal rights. Yes.
Do you believe otherwise?

Equal with men on the edges, but not in the main,

What?

except that men are getting weaker as we speak,]

How so?
And you think that's because people believe that men and women are equal? How?

but lib "woke" women, or men who claim to be women, seem to be getting crazier as time goes on.

That's just like, your opinion, man.

You should look up the Suffragette Movement of the 19th-20th Century if you want to see some real "crazy" stuff.

Progressives at heart are all Marxist.

Nonsense.

Let someone else do the work, and the elites will claim power, and the poor will get poorer.

This is what we've had for centuries already. Progressive want to change this.

The Marxist Venezuelans have already eaten all of their zoo animals. When Trump gets into power, the Venezuelans who voted for a communist/socialist leader, will have to break through Canadas rigid border controls to eat the Progressive Toronto Zoo animals, now under the control of the Progressive Mayor, Olivia Chow.

Truong My Lan: Vietnamese billionaire sentenced to death for $44bn fraud

Truong My Lan started life as a market trader. Now, she has been convicted of stealing billions.

www.bbc.co.uk

LOL

And once again, you've failed to respond to the content of my post. Instead, you cherry picked one sentence and went off on that, without taking anything I've said in the rest of the post into consideration. This is not the sign of an honest interlocuter.

 

[jimb]

Re the OP: I don't claim to be a Christian. I am a Christian.

 

[2ndpillar]

Re the OP: I don't claim to be a Christian. I am a Christian.

And which of the approximately 34,000 sects do you belong?

 

[Kathryn]

Re the OP: I don't claim to be a Christian. I am a Christian.

Ignore the haters, by the way. I just had to say that.

 

[2ndpillar]

That would be an egalitarian.

Egalitarian is the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities. Equity is the doctrine that all people deserve the same amount of rice in their bowl. Apparently, the Marxist nation of Cuba, has recently rescinded that order. All people are not equal. In the U.S. all people theoretically deserve equal rights under the law. People such as Me-Too Progressives, believe women should be believed before men. As for opportunities, the unequalness of candidates, winds up with unequal avenues of opportunity. If you want to be a history teacher, first learn some history.

 

[Muffled]

I hope we all would regret things we have may still now regret, so with the above what are you really saying?

I believe I am saying that a Christian is a new person. The old person has died under the baptismal fount and a new person has risen from it.

 

[SkepticThinker]

Egalitarian is the doctrine that all people are equal and deserve equal rights and opportunities. Equity is the doctrine that all people deserve the same amount of rice in their bowl. Apparently, the Marxist nation of Cuba, has recently rescinded that order. All people are not equal. In the U.S. all people theoretically deserve equal rights under the law. People such as Me-Too Progressives, believe women should be believed before men. As for opportunities, the unequalness of candidates, winds up with unequal avenues of opportunity. If you want to be a history teacher, first learn some history.

And again you ignore the entirety of my post.

This is about the eighteenth time you've done this now. Thus confirming my original claim of you doing just that.
I prefer discussions with honest interlocuters.

 

[2ndpillar]

I believe I am saying that a Christian is a new person. The old person has died under the baptismal fount and a new person has risen from it.

Catholics are generally baptized as infants. They don't even know they are a "person "at the time. Did Stalin being baptized make him a "new person"? A "Christian" is simply a person who has become a follower of the false prophet Paul, and the "worthless shepherd" (Zech 11:17), Peter. They are simply persons on the wide path to "destruction" (Mt 7:13) and will acquire the plagues of Babylon in the process (Rev 18:4), if they fail to "come out of her".

 

[Muffled]

No, I do not believe in a God. But you are still claiming that your own God is a liar.

I believe you are lying about my claims.

 

[Muffled]

But the Bible was written by man. You should study the history of the Bible. Genesis was written in roughly 500 BCE.

I believe when I write, I write the words of God and so did those men.

 

[jimb]

Ignore the haters, by the way. I just had to say that.

I have had @2ndpillar on "ignore:" for quite a while. I consider him to be chronically nasty and insulting, so I won't indulge him.

 

[Muffled]

I can't reconcile claims of devout Christianity with support of a man like Donald Trump whose life is the antithesis of Christianity. In my view, the two positions of Christianity and Trump support are radically inconsistent.

If I were to support such a person, it would seem to me as if I had made a deal with the Devil in order to get something I want that isn't even biblical in most cases. I find that last bit ironic given that these devout supporters often flaunt biblical literalism and inerrancy.

For a Christian the past life is gone. That person is dead and a new person takes its place but even after a person becomes a Christian there is room for a lot of growth.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe you are lying about my claims.

You can believe that but if you can be honest and control your fears I can show you how you are doing that.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I believe when I write, I write the words of God and so did those men.

Now you just claimed that the "word of God" is frequently if not always wrong. Remember, it does not matter what you believe. What maters is if you can support your claims and I have never seen you do that. Why on Earth would you go on a debating site if all that you can ever do is to say "I believe"?

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

Which parts do you consider true? Please be specific.

As an atheist, I don’t claim to be a Christian.

Like Bertrand Russell, I tend to pick and choose, I suppose.


You could, of course, if you liked, say that there was a superior deity who gave orders to the God who made this world, or could take up the line that some of the gnostics took up—a line which I often thought was a very plausible one—that as a matter of fact this world that we know was made by the devil at a moment when God was not looking. There is a good deal to be said for that, and I am not concerned to refute it.

Bertrand Russell

Why I am not a Christian (1927)

Why I Am Not a Christian by Bertrand Russell - The Bertrand Russell Society

"Gracias a diós y nuestro señor salvador, fue el diablo el que me enseñó a tocar violin."

"Thanks to God and our Lord Savior, it was the Devil who taught me how to play the violin"

Felipe Ibarra, violinista

(page 130)

Las amas de los violines 'negros'

Dr. Paloma Muñoz (Anthropologist)

PDF: repositorio.unicauca.edu.co:8080/bitstream/handle/123456789/2222/TESIS%2520PALOMA%2520MU%C3%91OZ%2520FINAL.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

 

[YoursTrue]

As an atheist, I don’t claim to be a Christian.

Like Bertrand Russell, I tend to pick and choose, I suppose.


You could, of course, if you liked, say that there was a superior deity who gave orders to the God who made this world, or could take up the line that some of the gnostics took up—a line which I often thought was a very plausible one—that as a matter of fact this world that we know was made by the devil at a moment when God was not looking. There is a good deal to be said for that, and I am not concerned to refute it.

Bertrand Russell

Why I am not a Christian (1927)

Why I Am Not a Christian by Bertrand Russell - The Bertrand Russell Society

"Gracias a diós y nuestro señor salvador, fue el diablo el que me enseñó a tocar violin."

"Thanks to God and our Lord Savior, it was the Devil who taught me how to play the violin"

Felipe Ibarra, violinista

(page 130)

Las amas de los violines 'negros'

Dr. Paloma Muñoz (Anthropologist)

PDF: repositorio.unicauca.edu.co:8080/bitstream/handle/123456789/2222/TESIS%2520PALOMA%2520MU%C3%91OZ%2520FINAL.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y

I used to read some stuff by Bertrand Russell when I was younger (and an atheist, but trying to understand...). He was a good writer, but -- that's about it. I don't look into anything that claims satanic guidance or help. So have a nice day, bye for now.

 

[YoursTrue]

Now you just claimed that the "word of God" is frequently if not always wrong. Remember, it does not matter what you believe. What maters is if you can support your claims and I have never seen you do that. Why on Earth would you go on a debating site if all that you can ever do is to say "I believe"?

"support your claims" you say? "support your claims"??? yikes. Like do theories as to how or what happened in the universe and abiogenesis as well as the first items conceived on earth have support for claims? oh, maybe they're not claims -- only possibilities as posited by "scientists..."

 

[Banach-Tarski Paradox]

I used to read some stuff by Bertrand Russell when I was younger (and an atheist, but trying to understand...). He was a good writer, but -- that's about it. I don't look into anything that claims satanic guidance or help. So have a nice day, bye for now.

Principia Mathematica is a fun read.

Why it took 379 pages to prove 1+1=2​

 

[Subduction Zone]

"support your claims" you say? "support your claims"??? yikes. Like do theories as to how or what happened in the universe and abiogenesis as well as the first items conceived on earth have support for claims? oh, maybe they're not claims -- only possibilities as posited by "scientists..."

Of course they do. They would not be theories if they were not well supported. Even abiogenesis is supported with evidence. It is still in the hypothetical stage, meaning that some questions have been answered but not all of them.

This is rather frustrating because I have offered to go over the basics of science with you many times. If you knew the basics you would not have to even ask such questions.