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"Cain" the first murderer

Trey of Diamonds

Well-Known Member
Hell as a concept came after the Cain and Abel story so at the time there was no Hell to condemn him to. Most likely the primitive tribes that orginated the Cain and Abel story had two forms of punishment. One was death and the other banishment. banishment most likely was considered worse than death as it meant having to survive without community. So Cain being banished meant he was severly punished. The fact that he turned that punishment around and became very successful is an interesting fact. Maybe crime really does pay. :sarcastic
 

Quagmire

Imaginary talking monkey
Staff member
Premium Member
God exiled Cain out of Eden after he killed his brother. He didnt threaten him with eternal Hell for murder.

Clear Enough?

That's not a point, it's a statement.

You're supposed to tell us what you think it all means.

You're not going to get away with posting a lot of hints and riddles forever.
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Hell as a concept came after the Cain and Abel story so at the time there was no Hell to condemn him to. Most likely the primitive tribes that orginated the Cain and Abel story had two forms of punishment. One was death and the other banishment. banishment most likely was considered worse than death as it meant having to survive without community. So Cain being banished meant he was severly punished. The fact that he turned that punishment around and became very successful is an interesting fact. Maybe crime really does pay. :sarcastic


Could be. But as you stated "Hell as a concept came after the Cain and Able story."
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
God exiled Cain out of Eden after he killed his brother. He didnt threaten him with eternal Hell for murder.

Clear Enough?

Can you find an instance anywhere in the Torah or Old Testament where anyone is condemned to Hell for eternity?
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
That's not a point, it's a statement.

You're supposed to tell us what you think it all means.

You're not going to get away with posting a lot of hints and riddles forever.


It means God exiled him like he exiled Israel.

God isnt putting people into a hell somewhere. Cain's mental torment while he lived was enough.

Thats as clear as it gets.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Can you find an instance anywhere in the Torah or Old Testament where anyone is condemned to Hell for eternity?



Then what was the point of posting this?

Yep Cain murdered his brother. Did God comdemn him to Hell for eternity?

Nope, God just ran him out of his homeland to another where he found a wife and built a civilization.:eek:

and this...

Cain was kicked out of his homeland by God. Thast was his penalty for killing his brother. Thats all. God didnt condemn him to any Hell for eternity.


Was it to simply point out one of the multitude in the OT who were punished by God but not "condemned to eternal Hell"?
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
Was it to simply point out one of the multitude in the OT who were punished by God but not "condemned to eternal Hell"?[/quote]


The first case of capitol murder recorded in the Bible and God just exiles the murderer.

No "hell" needed.
 

waitasec

Veteran Member
awoon,
i maybe wrong...this is just a shot in the dark.
are you eluding to the idea that many of the religious right are pro capital punishment
and you are pretty much asking why would god allow for a murder to go without due justice...?
:shrug:
 

Awoon

Well-Known Member
awoon,
i maybe wrong...this is just a shot in the dark.
are you eluding to the idea that many of the religious right are pro capital punishment
and you are pretty much asking why would god allow for a murder to go without due justice...?
:shrug:


Yes that expresses the Cain exile story for me.
 

Gjallarhorn

N'yog-Sothep
I'm going to take a postmodern approach and say he's making a reference to the use of fossil fuels and other nonrenewable resources.

And of course, since it was left intentionally vague by the author, I am obviously right.
 
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