California AB 957 authorizes courts to take transgender kids away from parents.

[Friend of Mara]

I think it's a myth that hormone blockers are safe and reversible. I think they are neither.

Cool story. You a doctor or got evidence to back that up? Do you think that non-trans kids who take these all the time for other medical reasons should also be barred from having them?

Because they are demonstrably safe and have been used since I think the 80's. So that's roughly 40 years of evidence and the conclusion held right now is and I quote "overwhelmingly safe".

 

[Kenny]

The California legislature has passed AB 957 and sent it to the Governor. It revises the state's Family Code to authorize courts to remove children from the custody of their parents for failure to affirm the child's "gender identity".

California AB957 | 2023-2024 | Regular Session

It is the full circle of making children wards of the State.

Give me just one generation of youth, and I’ll transform the whole world.” —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

“Give me four years to teach the children and the seed I have sown will never be uprooted.” —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

“Destroy the family, you destroy the country. The way to crush the bourgeoisie is to grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation”. —Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

 

[icehorse]

Cool story. You a doctor or got evidence to back that up? Do you think that non-trans kids who take these all the time for other medical reasons should also be barred from having them?

Because they are demonstrably safe and have been used since I think the 80's. So that's roughly 40 years of evidence and the conclusion held right now is and I quote "overwhelmingly safe".

They are used for other conditions, yes. But not unless the alternatives are dire.

So how about we stick with talk therapy? Most kids with gender dysphoria grow out of it as they go through puberty.

But here are a few studies to get you started...

Bone development and health:

Revisiting the effect of GnRH analogue treatment on bone mineral density in young adolescents with gender dysphoria

An Examination of the Effects of Leuprolide Acetate Used in the Treatment of Central Precocious Puberty on Bone Mineral Density and 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D

Osteoporosis and Bone Health in Transgender Persons

Occurrence of Slipped Capital Femoral Epiphysis in Children Undergoing Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone Agonist Therapy for the Treatment of Central Precocious Puberty

Reproductive Issues

https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC v7/SOC V7_English.pdf

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1521625518394773505

Pubertal timing predicts adult psychosexuality: Evidence from typically developing adults and adults with isolated GnRH deficiency

Cognitive Issues

Pubertal timing predicts adult psychosexuality: Evidence from typically developing adults and adults with isolated GnRH deficiency

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/docume...ty-phvwp-december-2011-plenary-meeting_en.pdf

A reduction in long-term spatial memory persists after discontinuation of peripubertal GnRH agonist treatment in sheep

Metabolic Issues

https://t.co/oGZSCqZWMy

The side effects of gonadotropin releasing hormone analog (diphereline) in treatment of idiopathic central precocious puberty - PubMed

Miscellaneous Issues

Long-Term Effects of Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone Agonists and Add-Back in Adolescent Endometriosis - PubMed

https://publications.aap.org/aapnew...ded-to-labeling-for?autologincheck=redirected

https://karger.com/esr/article/57/1-2/22/128513/Gonadotropin-Releasing-Hormone-and-Its

 

[We Never Know]

If parents starve a child, for what ever their mislead beliefs, then someone needs to intervene.

Refusing a child mental health service and affirmative well being is the same as starving them.

"Refusing a child mental health service"

Are you saying gender dysphoria/transgender is a mental issue?

 

[We Never Know]

They are used for other conditions, yes. But not unless the alternatives are dire.

So how about we stick with talk therapy? Most kids with gender dysphoria grow out of it as they go through puberty.

But here are a few studies to get you started...

Bone development and health:

Revisiting the effect of GnRH analogue treatment on bone mineral density in young adolescents with gender dysphoria

An Examination of the Effects of Leuprolide Acetate Used in the Treatment of Central Precocious Puberty on Bone Mineral Density and 25-Hydroxy Vitamin D

Osteoporosis and Bone Health in Transgender Persons

Occurrence of Slipped Capital Femoral Epiphysis in Children Undergoing Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone Agonist Therapy for the Treatment of Central Precocious Puberty

Reproductive Issues

https://www.wpath.org/media/cms/Documents/SOC v7/SOC V7_English.pdf

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1521625518394773505

Pubertal timing predicts adult psychosexuality: Evidence from typically developing adults and adults with isolated GnRH deficiency

Cognitive Issues

Pubertal timing predicts adult psychosexuality: Evidence from typically developing adults and adults with isolated GnRH deficiency

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/docume...ty-phvwp-december-2011-plenary-meeting_en.pdf

A reduction in long-term spatial memory persists after discontinuation of peripubertal GnRH agonist treatment in sheep

Metabolic Issues

https://t.co/oGZSCqZWMy

The side effects of gonadotropin releasing hormone analog (diphereline) in treatment of idiopathic central precocious puberty - PubMed

Miscellaneous Issues

Long-Term Effects of Gonadotropin-Releasing Hormone Agonists and Add-Back in Adolescent Endometriosis - PubMed

https://publications.aap.org/aapnew...ded-to-labeling-for?autologincheck=redirected

https://karger.com/esr/article/57/1-2/22/128513/Gonadotropin-Releasing-Hormone-and-Its

I predict this will get shot down as gish gallop

 

[icehorse]

I predict this will get shot down as gish gallop

You don't have to "predict" anything. Just open a few links.

Or not, stick with your dogma. It's not like kid's lives are at stake.

 

[We Never Know]

You don't have to "predict" anything. Just open a few links.

Or not, stick with your dogma. It's not like kids lives are at stake.

Lol. Like I said it will get shot down as gish gallop... by the ones you are talking with.
You need to keep track of who has dogma and who doesn't.

 

[icehorse]

Lol. Like I said it will get shot down as gish gallop... by the ones you are talking with.
You need to keep track of who has dogma and who doesn't.

Oh, so this is just a drive by for you?

We're all touched

 

[icehorse]

Lol. Like I said it will get shot down as gish gallop... by the ones you are talking with.
You need to keep track of who has dogma and who doesn't.

"Gender Affirming Care: it saves lives". Yeah, we hear that all the time, but is it true? A growing number of countries with healthcare systems better than ours think the evidence is too weak to be used:

Denmark Joins the List of Countries Who Have Sharply Restricted Youth Gender Transitions

The journal of the Danish Medical Association confirms the change has occurred quietly but resolutely.

www.realityslaststand.com

 

[We Never Know]

Oh, so this is just a drive by for you?

We're all touched

Lmao. Do you even know what gish gallop is?
Most who disagree with you will call your post gish gallop and blow it off.

I usually agree with you on issues like this but it seems you are so caught up you can't tell the difference between a post predicting what others will do to blow off your post vs a post you think is in disagreement with you

 

[syo]

The California legislature has passed AB 957 and sent it to the Governor. It revises the state's Family Code to authorize courts to remove children from the custody of their parents for failure to affirm the child's "gender identity".

California AB957 | 2023-2024 | Regular Session

*yawn*

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Using the power of the state to rip children away from their parents is an extreme measure that should only be used as a last resort. "Affirming gender" is insufficient cause for doing so, will harm the child and is itself child abuse by the state.

Neglecting the medical needs of your kid is widely regarded as abuse.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Democrats completely in charge whom in their own one party view

That is entirely false. One party? Completely in charge? Did you forget about McCarthy?

 

[Shadow Wolf]

"Gender Affirming Care: it saves lives". Yeah, we hear that all the time, but is it true? A growing number of countries with healthcare systems better than ours think the evidence is too weak to be used:

Denmark Joins the List of Countries Who Have Sharply Restricted Youth Gender Transitions

The journal of the Danish Medical Association confirms the change has occurred quietly but resolutely.

www.realityslaststand.com

And, yet once again, that DOES NOT mean they quit doing them.

 

[icehorse]

Do you even know what gish gallop is?
Most who disagree with you will call your post gish gallop and blow it off.

Yes, I know what a gish gallop is. @Friend of Mara asked me for proof. So I gave her some links to read.

I know how this game goes: if you don't provide enough links, then that's a problem.

Now we have the "you provided too many links" dodge.

So I guess that somewhere in the middle is the perfect number of links? Can you tell me what that number is, and how it was arrived at? I'm all a twitter, waiting in anticipation

Lmao. Do you even know what gish gallop is?
Most who disagree with you will call your post gish gallop and blow it off.

I usually agree with you on issues like this but it seems you are so caught up you can't tell the difference between a post predicting what others will do to blow off your post vs a post you think is in disagreement with you

ah! so your mention of "gish gallop" was actually in support of my links?

I suppose that could conceivably be the case. But in that case, what a weird post to make. I can't really see the point??

 

[We Never Know]

And, yet once again, that DOES NOT mean they quit doing them.

Did the poster claim 'they quit doing them'?

 

[icehorse]

And, yet once again, that DOES NOT mean they quit doing them.

quit doing what? (i.e. what's the "them"?)

 

[We Never Know]

Yes, I know what a gish gallop is. @Friend of Mara asked me for proof. So I gave her some links to read.

I know how this game goes: if you don't provide enough links, then that's a problem.

Now we have the "you provided too many links" dodge.

So I guess that somewhere in the middle is the perfect number of links? Can you tell me what that number is, and how it was arrived at? I'm all a twitter, waiting in anticipation

ah! so your mention of "gish gallop" was actually in support of my links?

I suppose that could conceivably be the case. But in that case, what a weird post to make. I can't really see the point??

The point was, as stated in my first post... Your post will be blown off a gish gallop, which means those who disagree with you will ignore it and call it gish gallop instead of addressing it.

 

[icehorse]

The point was, as stated in my first post... Your post will be blown off a gish gallop, which means those who disagree with you will ignore it and call it gish gallop instead of addressing it.

Ok. So what's the answer? Back to my facetious "goldilocks number of links" question. Too few links or too many.

You might be right, but that would seem to further the idea that minds are already made up, damn the facts

 

[We Never Know]

Ok. So what's the answer? Back to my facetious "goldilocks number of links" question. Too few links or too many.

You might be right, but that would seem to further the idea that minds are already made up, damn the facts

I don't believe there is a magic number. Post one its not enough, post many its gish gallop.
When in reality, IMO its because the links disagree with them.