California Antifa Teacher caught by promoting political agenda

[lewisnotmiller]

Absolutely.

Hitler had his weaknesses but it would be foolish to deny he had many strengths as well. So yes. Hitler did many things “right”. Though, I wonder what you mean by “right” and “wrong”? What is or is not morally acceptable? Who’s morals? And acceptable to who, exactly? Your morals are subjective.

What about his devotion to his country, and any choices and actions of his that were in the best interest of Germany, strengthening it? Anything he did that falls under these categories could be considered “right”. What then of choices and actions that resulted in his own personal growth, achievements and victories? Fulfilling the destiny you desire most in this world by actively pursuing it and bringing about the changes yourself can be considered “right” as well.

So there it is. I know this is not the answer you were looking for, and it might even trigger some people hearing that, but it is foolish to underestimate your opponent by not acknowledging their strengths and ignoring the things they do “right”.

I don't think you should prevaricate on Hitler's leadership. If you actually think he made choices that turned out to be in the best interests of Germany, feel free to list them. All leaders...Hitler included...make decisions of varying quality, but he oversaw the complete destruction of his own nation, not to mention attempted genocide. So perhaps let's not put him in the 'little of this, little of that' bracket.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

Absolutely.

Hitler had his weaknesses but it would be foolish to deny he had many strengths as well. So yes. Hitler did many things “right”. Though, I wonder what you mean by “right” and “wrong”? What is or is not morally acceptable? Who’s morals? And acceptable to who, exactly? Your morals are subjective.

What about his devotion to his country, and any choices and actions of his that were in the best interest of Germany, strengthening it? Anything he did that falls under these categories could be considered “right”. What then of choices and actions that resulted in his own personal growth, achievements and victories? Fulfilling the destiny you desire most in this world by actively pursuing it and bringing about the changes yourself can be considered “right” as well.

So there it is. I know this is not the answer you were looking for, and it might even trigger some people hearing that, but it is foolish to underestimate your opponent by not acknowledging their strengths and ignoring the things they do “right”.

That reads to me like you are Defending Hitler.
Why would anyone but a national socialist supporter do that?

If you start with his Mein Kampf autobiographical manifesto, that he published in 1925, and through to his demise at the end of WW2. there is almost nothing to redeem him. Anything good, that came by way of his putting his plan into action is purely fortuitous. and an accidental by-product of His nefarious objectives.
It is not a question of good things or bad things. his whole concept and actions were Evil.

 

[Kenny]

No. That would be a very drastic measure, a far greater punishment than warranted as this is an issue without violence and victims.

I though "scaring the **** out of them" would be considered child abuse as a teacher.

 

[Terrywoodenpic]

I though "scaring the "*** out of them" would be considered child abuse as a teacher.

Why would it scare anyone?

 

[Lyndon]

Its a fascist government that would scare me

 

[Kenny]

Yes, I agree he--and any teacher who uses their position to advance a political agenda--should be fired. Whether he should be prosecuted is a question related to the law of the state he works (or worked) in, which I'm not familiar enough with to give a definite answer here.

I also think public schools should fire teachers who shoehorn their religious beliefs into classrooms by, say, denying the theory of evolution or claiming the Earth is 6,000 years old. Do you agree or disagree?

Agreed. Classroom isn't the place for denying evolution or claiming the Earth is 6,000 years old.

 

[Kenny]

So what say you, @KenS ?

agreed

 

[Kenny]

Prosecuted for what?

Abuse of children as he said "Scare the F*** out of them".

 

[Kenny]

Why would it scare anyone?

Ask the children???

 

[Aštra’el]

Abuse of children as he said "Scare the F*** out of them".

To be fair, Christianity can really scare children when they bring up Hell. I do not consider that abuse.

Still, I am glad to see these antifas removed from teaching positions. They can spread their propaganda somewhere else.

 

[Lyndon]

To be fair, Christianity can really scare children when they bring up Hell. I do not consider that abuse.

Still, I am glad to see these antifas removed from teaching positions. They can spread their propaganda somewhere else.

I'd be more worried about someone teaching the "good" that Hitler did for Germany!

 

[Revoltingest]

That reads to me like you are Defending Hitler.
Why would anyone but a national socialist supporter do that?

To suspend moral judgment when considering the strengths
& weaknesses of a leader is useful. To call that supporting
the leader is a stretch.
Too often partisans see people as pure evil or good. Just
yesterday I couldn't convince my helper that Biden had any
merit or good policies....he intended to turn the country
communist, & surrender it to the & Chinese. Similarly, I
know Trump haters who couldn't entertain any idea his
having done anything good.
We shouldn't be like them.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

To suspend moral judgment when considering the strengths
& weaknesses of a leader is useful. To call that supporting
the leader is a stretch.
Too often partisans see people as pure evil or good. Just
yesterday I couldn't convince my helper that Biden had any
merit or good policies....he intended to turn the country
communist, & surrender it to the & Chinese. Similarly, I
know Trump haters who couldn't entertain any idea his
having done anything good.
We shouldn't be like them.

I'm no partisan. Hitler was a truly ****ty leader who oversaw the destruction of the country he led.

 

[Revoltingest]

I'm no partisan. Hitler was a truly ****ty leader who oversaw the destruction of the country he led.

I agree.
But is that a full analysis of him & his stewardship of Germany?
Must every statement be condemnation?

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I agree.
But is that a full analysis of him & his stewardship of Germany?

I can readily get into that if anyone really wants to, but it's another thread. And I'm not even basing this on moral judgement, but simple impact of his leadership.
So...in short...yes.

It's not a judgement of every individual act, but the sum total was an unmitigated disaster for his people. Not to mention everyone else's people.

 

[Revoltingest]

I can readily get into that if anyone really wants to, but it's another thread. And I'm not even basing this on moral judgement, but simple impact of his leadership.
So...in short...yes.

It's not a judgement of every individual act, but the sum total was an unmitigated disaster for his people. Not to mention everyone else's people.

I say that it would be useful to understand what made Hitler
tick, how he rose to power, & how he exercised it. To reduce
it to naught but condemnation would be to close one's eyes.
The post we're discussing was about his having strength, a
quality normally admired in leaders. This is not approval of
what he did with that strength.
To be able to evaluate people & movements without making
it solely about moral judgment is useful, & applies to Antifa,
Presidents, BLM, etc, etc.

 

[Altfish]

Yes, I agree he--and any teacher who uses their position to advance a political agenda--should be fired. Whether he should be prosecuted is a question related to the law of the state he works (or worked) in, which I'm not familiar enough with to give a definite answer here.

I also think public schools should fire teachers who shoehorn their religious beliefs into classrooms by, say, denying the theory of evolution or claiming the Earth is 6,000 years old. Do you agree or disagree?

I agree; I would take it one stage further and say preachers who preach politics should have their tax status removed.

 

[lewisnotmiller]

I say that it would be useful to understand what made Hitler
tick, how he rose to power, & how he exercised it. To reduce
it to naught but condemnation would be to close one's eyes.
The post we're discussing was about his having strength, a
quality normally admired in leaders. This is not approval of
what he did with that strength.

Nor did I say it was. I've studied this topic a lot. Apart from reading Mein Kampf to get some sense from him in his own words (not worth the effort) I can do fun things like explain the negative economic impact on Nazi decisions around wartime munitions production, centralisation vs non-centralisation.

Whilst not useful skills, I feel they help me judge his leadership in a pragmatic sense.

From a moral sense, the guy is a reprehensible stain on humanity.

I'm a big believer in Gray, rather than black or white. So let's just say even on that spectrum, there are going to be very, very, very dark Gray examples, and he's one.

 

[Secret Chief]

I don't think you should prevaricate on Hitler's leadership. If you actually think he made choices that turned out to be in the best interests of Germany, feel free to list them. All leaders...Hitler included...make decisions of varying quality, but he oversaw the complete destruction of his own nation, not to mention attempted genocide. So perhaps let's not put him in the 'little of this, little of that' bracket.

What kind of person defends a fascist and instigator of mass murder and attempted genocide?

 

[Lyndon]

What kind of person defends a fascist and instigator of mass murder and attempted genocide?

usually pretty right wing people