California Gov Signs Bill To Exclude Trump From 2020 Election Ballot (SP 27)

[Shadow Wolf]

Well we will see.

From the OP link:

The Republican National Committee does not require candidates to appear on primary ballots in all 50 states. With no credible GOP challenger at this point, Trump likely won’t need California’s delegates to win the Republican nomination. The law does not apply to the general election ballot.
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While states have authority over how candidates can access their ballots....

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Imagine if Trump just kept his promise and released his tax return.

 

[Enoch07]

There is no right to run for public office, and indeed releasing tax forms is a very minor thing compared to other loop holes one must jump through.

A minor thing for most politicians yes. But after a 3 year $20+ million investigation, countless false accusations, and a ton of BS. Yes it's a ridiculous and unreasonable request.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Imagine if every state could make their selective laws, all different, all making terms and conditions that limit access to the ballot.

They already do.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Imagine if Trump just kept his promise and released his tax return.

That's all he has to do to be on California's primary ballot. He does that, he's there.

 

[Shad]

That's going to be a concern of the past as Real ID becomes a thing in all states.

There is no right to run for public office, and indeed releasing tax forms is a very minor thing compared to other loop holes one must jump through.
Ballot access for presidential candidates - Ballotpedia

Wrong. Freedom of association and freedom of political expression as per 1a. This has been upheld repeatedly by SCOTUS. The Constitution has 2 requires to be POTUS. Fed trumps State.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

A minor thing for most politicians yes. But after a 3 year $20+ million investigation, countless false accusations, and a ton of BS. Yes it's a ridiculous and unreasonable request.

It's ridiculous and unreasonable to expect him to keep his promises?

 

[Shad]

That's going to be a concern of the past as Real ID becomes a thing in all states.

There is no right to run for public office, and indeed releasing tax forms is a very minor thing compared to other loop holes one must jump through.
Ballot access for presidential candidates - Ballotpedia

Read what you link.


Article 2, Section 1, of the United States Constitution sets the following qualifications for the presidency:[2]

“ No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.[3]

Now read the cases linked near the end of ballot requirements being throw out by SCOTUS.

 

[Shad]

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This political circus California, no real surprise that it is in California that this happened, should cause people to consider the intention, besides political theater. Imagine if a state can make a law that prohibits someone from being on a ballot in a national election.
For whatever reason said Legislature feels a potential candidate, or a President running for re-election, is deemed unworthy by said Legislature. Who in California are partisan because California is a Blue state.

This actually happened. Slave states didn't put Lincoln on the ballot for obvious reasons. Lincoln was going to get rid of the meal ticket ie slavery. This move was part of the background of the Civil War. All for the slavers self-interest. Ruled unconstitutional after the war.

 

[Enoch07]

It's ridiculous and unreasonable to expect him to keep his promises?

Yeah after the whole Russian conspiracy thing. I'd tell ya to stick those tax returns where the sun don't shine as well.

 

[Shad]

Yeah after the whole Russian conspiracy thing. I'd tell ya to stick those tax returns where the sun don't shine as well.

Cali is doing this as Trump will not release his returns. Cleary political partisanship because Trump didn't follow a tradition, not law, others did. He pissed in their cereal so this is the backlash.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Wrong. Freedom of association and freedom of political expression as per 1a. This has been upheld repeatedly by SCOTUS. The Constitution has 2 requires to be POTUS. Fed trumps State.

Those aren't being violated. And this does not apply to the general election. Also, the Constitution clearly says there are three requirements to be president, not two.

 

[Shad]

Those aren't being violated. And this does not apply to the general election. Also, the Constitution clearly says there are three requirements to be president, not two.

Look up the ballots cases in your own link. Yawn.

So what it is 3 instead of 2? It says nothing about ballots. Those 3 are the only requirement by the Constitution which is the law of land.

 

[fantome profane]

For those who think this is an attack on Trump, consider this. At this point Joe Biden is ineligible to be on the Primary ballot in California. He has only released three years of his tax returns, this law requires 5.

 

[Shadow Wolf]

Look up the ballots cases in your own link. Yawn.

I posted that to show there are far more burdensome requirements to get on a ballot, for a presidential election, than submitting your tax forms, and to show each state sets it's own criteria. And this bill doesn't even apply to the general election. Primary elections, on the other hand, have some very loose laws, tend to be messy, and even the party can make up stuff as they go along.

 

[Shaul]

Imagine if Trump just kept his promise and released his tax return.

Imagine if his critics didn’t (deliberately?) misquote him when he said he would release them but only after he was not being audited.

 

[suncowiam]

No need. You 've no idea what you're talking about.
See, in America this is how Democracy works.
A bill comes before the legislature. I'll make it short. The people who stand to be effected by the bill are allowed to give their opinions about said bill which is made public.
Then the bill is voted on by said legislature. First the house and if it passes then the senate. And then if it passes there it goes to the governor's desk for signature.
The governor can sign within 30 days and make the bill law. Or, he can shelf it and on the 31st day it becomes law without his signature, responsibility for making the bill law.
Let that sink in for a moment.

Pointless comment.

Ok, you described a process. How then did the process conclude the validity of the bill in question, especially when this same process was used in the passing of the bill? Seems conflicting with your position on the bill.

Why don't you clearly tell me your point and then the arguments to prove it. So far, you have not. I'm just hearing frivolous details that masquerade as arguments.

 

[columbus]

Imagine if his critics didn’t (deliberately?) misquote him when he said he would release them but only after he was not being audited.

Yet another deplorable lie.

First he said he would release his returns.
Then he said he couldn't, because he was being audited. When that was shown to be a lie, he came up with a different one. "When Obama is proven to be a citizen", if I recall correctly.
I could be wrong about that. I gave up keeping track of Trump's lies before he got appointed to office.
Tom

 

[SugarOcean]

Pointless comment.

Clearly not.

 

[suncowiam]

Clearly not.

Another pointless comment with no arguments.