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Campign for US election recount underway

David1967

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
More like you have to pay in order to have one. Its not automatic. I don't think the Green Party can pay for it themselves, which is why they are fundraising for it.

Waste of time and money that could be used for something more beneficial. I haven't even heard that Hillary is questioning the results.
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Why the Pope? Wouldn't it be easier to do without some central moral figure who'd be divisive?

Also, who is planning all this?

I'm sure any figure would cause division. Keeping his identity a mystery has its advantages, but Bush Sr. clued me into it first. He said "I see a New World Order coming into view, something by the rule of law not the rule of the jungle, something something military might, and the Pope as it's moral authority. Years later the Pope is lecturing to our congress with Obama calling him the "moral authority". And other clues about the pope wanting a UN with real teeth, white tanks and statues of the pope in UN buildings etc. Lead me to suspect it's true and wonder where it's heading.
 

Kirran

Premium Member
I'm sure any figure would cause division. Keeping his identity a mystery has its advantages, but Bush Sr. clued me into it first. He said "I see a New World Order coming into view, something by the rule of law not the rule of the jungle, something something military might, and the Pope as it's moral authority. Years later the Pope is lecturing to our congress with Obama calling him the "moral authority". And other clues about the pope wanting a UN with real teeth, white tanks and statues of the pope in UN buildings etc. Lead me to suspect it's true and wonder where it's heading.

Well any global governing organisation with the Pope as a moral authority would anger many Protestants, as well as many Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. It'd be easier not to bother with a moral authority figure, surely?
 

Kemosloby

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Well any global governing organisation with the Pope as a moral authority would anger many Protestants, as well as many Muslims, Jews, Hindus, etc. It'd be easier not to bother with a moral authority figure, surely?
I guess that would be for the Pope to decide, as the moral authority.
 

Laika

Well-Known Member
Premium Member
Waste of time and money that could be used for something more beneficial. I haven't even heard that Hillary is questioning the results.

I basically agree, as I don't think it will ultimately change the result. It would have to be truly massive level of electoral fraud to do that. But It may be worth doing if it points out security weaknesses on electronic voting if that gets rolled out accross the country any time soon.
 

BSM1

What? Me worry?
You can keep your beliefs but when it comes to global planning the pope will be the moral authority. Like Ancient Rome, people could keep their beliefs as long as it didn't conflict with Ceasars authority.


Well...that's certainly reassuring...
 

Shadow Wolf

Certified People sTabber & Business Owner
Too bad Gore didn't fight it like this 16 years ago. If you are going to do this democracy thing, you have to make sure every citizen's vote is counted, and counted equally. Under the American system, no one's vote is truly counted, and most votes cast go without weight or consideration. Dem voters in Texas and Rep voters in Washington should be heard just as much as Rep voters in Texas and Dem voters in Washington.
But, if these recounts do reveal anything suspicious, regardless of the system we use, it would tarnish the integrity of the US election, which does have a solid reputation despite it being a terrible system that dismisses the votes of most voters.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
Too bad Gore didn't fight it like this 16 years ago. If you are going to do this democracy thing, you have to make sure every citizen's vote is counted, and counted equally. Under the American system, no one's vote is truly counted, and most votes cast go without weight or consideration. Dem voters in Texas and Rep voters in Washington should be heard just as much as Rep voters in Texas and Dem voters in Washington.
But, if these recounts do reveal anything suspicious, regardless of the system we use, it would tarnish the integrity of the US election, which does have a solid reputation despite it being a terrible system that dismisses the votes of most voters.
If Gore had fought it, recounts wouldn't have been only in areas where he held the statistical advantage.
 

Revoltingest

Pragmatic Libertarian
Premium Member
The major issue then was Florida, not nitpicking where Dems usually get higher rates of votes.
As I recall, there were other areas which could've been recounted with the likely benefit accruing to Dubya.
Iowa might've been one. Things are never so simple as "If only such & such had happened.".
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
They just raised the necessary funding for the Wisconsin recount, and are now working on Michigan and Pennsylvania.
 

Twilight Hue

Twilight, not bright nor dark, good nor bad.
The major issue then was Florida, not nitpicking where Dems usually get higher rates of votes.
Only in urban areas where there is dependency on social programs where benefits and perks are employed.

It's like a heroin dealer that does business in the back alley.
 

Parchment

Active Member
Green Party Presidential candidate, Jill Stein, is asking for funds to request a recount of election results in Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin to investigate voting anomolies.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...-recount-fund-michigan-wisconsin-pennsylvania
The money that needs to be raised to have a recount in all three states is expected to be $6-7 million, including lawyers fees. At time of writing they have raised over $2.5million. If you wish to donate, see the link below.
https://jillstein.nationbuilder.com/recount

Any thoughts?
My thoughts:
-Someones lawyer friends will get richer
-It sounds like a perfectly legal scam playing on the post election emotions/disappointments of some
-Election results will stay the same
 

crossfire

LHP Mercuræn Feminist Heretic Bully ☿
Premium Member
The costs for the Wisconsin and Pennsylvania recounts have been met. Now they are focusing on meeting the cost for Michigan.
 

ShivaFan

Satyameva Jayate
Premium Member
The Wisconsin recount as of this morning Dec 7th:

Last night, Trump gained 105 votes and Clinton dropped 41 votes. As of this morning Wednesday, Trump had widened his victory margin over Clinton in Wisconsin by 146 votes, with 23 of the state's 72 counties having finished their recounts.
 
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