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[Muffled]

Hmm, then it is possible that God did indeed talk to Muhammad pbuh directly. Thank you for bringing that up so I can search more and correct my knowledge.(1*)

I do believe that what you suggest is indeed true as an intention by God since Islamic Heritage does mention Muhammad (pbuh) (2*) borrowing teachings from Judaism and Christianity after all. As for my point, I said it because the Quran mentions implications and even direct statements of it. The Quran does say "the Abrahamic doctrine/denomination" and following it (which covers the three religions), instead of just Islam, in so many places, as well as telling stories of God with others like Abraham, David, Moses, Jesus and others (pbut) (3*). The Quran does also says that Jesus (PBUH) told his people that someone after him will carry his legacy and that someone is called Ahmed (another name among others the Quran uses for Muhammad) (pbuh). I heard some interpretations that the OT does mention Muhammad (pbuh) and God in a way that sounds similar to their reference names in Arabic (Allah for God), but I'm not to take that for granted for now. It is still there tho even if it is debatable.(1*)

Note:
1- I changed the colors to their least vibrant versions for easier reading.
2- Pbuh = peace be upon him.
3- Pbut = peace be upon them.

I believe I don't remember seeing that. I found it. It doesn't say anything about carrying on His legacy.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I believe I don't remember seeing that. I found it. It doesn't say anything about carrying on His legacy.

َQuran 61:6 says:
And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

From what Jesus (pbuh) mentioning another prophet that comes after him in that context, I understand that the subject is about coming to follow up confirming "what came before me of the Torah". Is this the same you're saying you found and does not say anything about carrying the legacy?

 

[Muffled]

َQuran 61:6 says:
And when Jesus, the son of Mary, said, "O children of Israel, indeed I am the messenger of Allah to you confirming what came before me of the Torah and bringing good tidings of a messenger to come after me, whose name is Ahmad." But when he came to them with clear evidences, they said, "This is obvious magic."

From what Jesus (pbuh) mentioning another prophet that comes after him in that context, I understand that the subject is about coming to follow up confirming "what came before me of the Torah". Is this the same you're saying you found and does not say anything about carrying the legacy?

The subject is that Jesus is a messenger (apostle) of Allah. THe confirming the Torah is just soemthing that Jesus does. and it does not even denote purpose.

That is the verse I found. My translation of the Qu'ran has 'Apostle" instead of "messenger" which means "one who is sent." Jesus talks of being sent but never says that He is a messenger. I believe that is because He is God and needs no messenger but speaks for Himself.

 

[Smart_Guy]

The subject is that Jesus is a messenger (apostle) of Allah. THe confirming the Torah is just soemthing that Jesus does. and it does not even denote purpose.

That is the verse I found. My translation of the Qu'ran has 'Apostle" instead of "messenger" which means "one who is sent." Jesus talks of being sent but never says that He is a messenger. I believe that is because He is God and needs no messenger but speaks for Himself.

Isn't confirming the Torah a purpose? Otherwise, for what reason was he sent? And who sent him? Or was he sent for no reason?

Yes, different interpretations are possible, giving the context one follows. The verse also says that Ahmad came with a clear evidence. According to the context you have in mind, and what the verse mentions, what is that clear evidence in your opinion?

 

[sojourner]

In a world of religious confusion, there has to be one truth....is finding it impossible?

Apparently, you've never heard of Constructive Theology.

This is how I believe God works. He does not give mixed messages to people in different parts of the world. He has one truth, one faith for all. We cannot dictate to him what we want to believe....we must conform to what he says is truth.

Each of us has a piece of truth, which we see from our own perspective. No one has the entire picture.

If they can hear Gods voice directly and talk to you without refering to hebrew scripture, why cant believers today?

Many people have -- and speak -- a "thus saith the Lord." Like the ancient prophets, not everyone believes or accepts them.

 

[Muffled]

Isn't confirming the Torah a purpose? Otherwise, for what reason was he sent? And who sent him? Or was he sent for no reason?

Yes, different interpretations are possible, giving the context one follows. The verse also says that Ahmad came with a clear evidence. According to the context you have in mind, and what the verse mentions, what is that clear evidence in your opinion?

I believe we have different meanings in english for the word purpose. One meaning is "intentional" another is "a plan to achieve something. I eat breakfast on purpose ie I do it intentionally but I have no plan to achieve anything by it. I skip lunch on gym day because it saps the eneergy I will need to exercise so my skipping lunch is a plan to achieve something. The purpose of affirming Torah is intentional but it does not fall into a plan.

He said a few things. He said that He same to die and rise again. He said that He came to bring eternal life.

I believe Jehovah does the sending.

I believe this is in reference to Jesus casting out demons as far as the referential text goes but in fact all of the miracles of Jesus could be considered that.

 

[Smart_Guy]

I believe we have different meanings in english for the word purpose. One meaning is "intentional" another is "a plan to achieve something. I eat breakfast on purpose ie I do it intentionally but I have no plan to achieve anything by it. I skip lunch on gym day because it saps the eneergy I will need to exercise so my skipping lunch is a plan to achieve something. The purpose of affirming Torah is intentional but it does not fall into a plan.

He said a few things. He said that He same to die and rise again. He said that He came to bring eternal life.

I believe Jehovah does the sending.

I believe this is in reference to Jesus casting out demons as far as the referential text goes but in fact all of the miracles of Jesus could be considered that.

Good post.

Thank you for sharing your views with me.

 

[Muffled]

Apparently, you've never heard of Constructive Theology.

Each of us has a piece of truth, which we see from our own perspective. No one has the entire picture.

Many people have -- and speak -- a "thus saith the Lord." Like the ancient prophets, not everyone believes or accepts them.

I believe that is rare but I believe Jesus speaks through me when I write on this site. I do believe it is encmbent upon any believer to test the Spirit to see if it is from God but the injunction does not say to toss out every instance as though it has to be unbelievable.