Guy Threepwood
Mighty Pirate
Lemaitre was a priest..
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Can a Genesis God be Explained from a Science Perspective? (part 1)
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Lemaitre was a priest..
serp777
Well-Known Member
"In particle physics, the electroweak interaction is the unified description of two of the four known fundamental interactions of nature: electromagnetism and the weak interaction. Although these two forces appear very different at everyday low energies, the theory models them as two different aspects of the same force. Above the unification energy, on the order of 100 GeV, they would merge into a single electroweak force. Thus, if the universe is hot enough (approximately 1015K, a temperature exceeded until shortly after the Big Bang), "
The current forces of the universe did not exist when the temperature of the universe was significantly higher. The current, best theory is that forces combined, like how electro magnetism and the weak force combine at higher temperature.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electroweak_interaction
McBell
Unbound
Thank you
You're interested in how I form my beliefs about the nature of grammar, translation, and language? Because I'm not a believer (I'm agnostic). To me the issue of the Hebrew here is purely matter of grammar and the issue of translation is exactly that: one of translation no different than if the text in question were Euripides' Medea or Frege's Begriffsschrift und andere Aufsätze.
FranklinMichaelV.3
Well-Known Member
Which is followed up by the fact that I point out that they are human; the point of the post had nothing to really do with their accuracy but just the fact that they are human and thus prone to error
Shad
Veteran Member
The problem I am pointing out is their arguments are not sound. Their arguments are based on fallacious reasoning. So regardless of how right you think they were this does not mean their argument is true.
Shad
Veteran Member
A theist developed the idea....
Faronator
Genetically Engineered
It's no more wild than a butchered text that has been mistranslated numerous times about how an all knowing entity created everything in 7 days just because, is it?
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
The one issue I do see with what is actually written in the bible is the exact time and nature of the earth becoming waste and ruin/formless and void.
Genesis does not actually say the Earth was originally created in those 6 "days" -and other scriptures do not support that idea -and indicate a much older Earth.
Even Genesis says that Cain left Eden and somehow found a wife -and was also worried about people doing him harm as he wandered about.
However, at some point before Adam, a ruinous state is said to have existed -which was righted by the renewal described in Genesis -and I wonder what that might have meant for those not of Adam's line already living.
Not much detail is given, but the most likely cause I have seen in scripture is the rebellion of the sinning angels which was put down. That would mean not only was the renewal of supernatural origin -but so was the destruction.
Assuming the days of Genesis to be 24 hour days -That would mean something really unusual happened about 6,000 years ago -or if the thousand years to a day idea is applied, 6,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Of course, the supernatural destruction might have been rather sudden -as with the renewal -so it might have been something like a really bad month to be on earth -but then things returned to somewhat normal.
I wonder if there are any similar stories or records from about that time from other cultures.
Genesis does not actually say the Earth was originally created in those 6 "days" -and other scriptures do not support that idea -and indicate a much older Earth.
Even Genesis says that Cain left Eden and somehow found a wife -and was also worried about people doing him harm as he wandered about.
However, at some point before Adam, a ruinous state is said to have existed -which was righted by the renewal described in Genesis -and I wonder what that might have meant for those not of Adam's line already living.
Not much detail is given, but the most likely cause I have seen in scripture is the rebellion of the sinning angels which was put down. That would mean not only was the renewal of supernatural origin -but so was the destruction.
Assuming the days of Genesis to be 24 hour days -That would mean something really unusual happened about 6,000 years ago -or if the thousand years to a day idea is applied, 6,000 to 12,000 years ago.
Of course, the supernatural destruction might have been rather sudden -as with the renewal -so it might have been something like a really bad month to be on earth -but then things returned to somewhat normal.
I wonder if there are any similar stories or records from about that time from other cultures.
Where do you find references to "the earth becoming waste and ruin/formless and void"?
I've found the commentaries by Sarna and Plaut useful in this regard.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
so you don't really understand?.....and yet you carry on as if you do....
Are you sure that you're not projecting?
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
Thanks for the heads-up on that.
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
I don't know how you got that out of what I actually wrote, but I guess go with whatever floats your little boat.
Etritonakin
Well-Known Member
I was just reading about the Hypsithermal Interval -during which the Earth was warmer than it has been since.
"Continental glaciers all but disappeared between about 9,000 and 6,000 years ago"
From...
https://books.google.com/books?id=j...ction event 6,000 to 12,000 years ago&f=false
Some believe something like a comet hit Earth about 13,000 years ago....
Interesting....
Thief
Rogue Theologian
you have been posting all through this thread as if you have an understanding .....
then you post ....getting to understand them (the laws of physics).....is so terribly difficult.
and there seems a denial you have not put forward.....
substance cannot move without something (Someone) to move it
science would insist on a motivation
that motivation will not be substance moving itself.......
Spirit first
or do you prefer your denial?.....because the understanding is so terribly difficult
metis
aged ecumenical anthropologist
You have misrepresented my motive and my position, so either you have a reading problem, a logic problem, a truth problem, or some combination of these.
It is just "amazing" that you deem cause and effect as a necessity, which I have agreed with in general, and yet you do not apply that same necessity to your belief about God. One of those at least has to go back into infinity, and we do know about cause-and-effect but we don't know with any certainty whatsoever if there is a deity or deities or none of the above, so your "logic" is totally 100% flawed.
Maybe if you start doing some studying on the subject instead of just spouting that which you clearly do not understand, so here's where you can start: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang
Until you can put forth some sort of logical, coherent position with evidence to support it, then I'm not going to wasting my time.
Thief
Rogue Theologian
cause and effect ARE a necessity.
no science experiment is valid without that relationship
where's YOUR logic?