Can a literal Genesis creation story really hold up?

[allfoak]

You do if you want to come to informed conclusions about Genesis. Otherwise, you're only getting second hand information.

You are the one with the second hand information.
My soul is my teacher.

 

[allfoak]

Sorry, but being a disciple or apostle writing a gospel or epistle or any other (like Acts or Revelation), doesn't make what he has been writing to be a "truth".

What any religious person (not necessarily a Christian) believe to be the "truth" is not necessarily what is actually "true". The truth in any religion is as subjective as belief or faith. The truth is what a person believe to be true, but a person of another religion will believe in something different to be the truth.

And where are the truths in Revelation?

I have been here long enough to have seen some Christians doing mental contortions in trying to turn one of those revelations into the "truth"; all they succeed in doing, is turning themselves into human pretzels.

I know this stuff, i used Paul as a reference because of the people i am talking to .

 

[Muffled]

Logic.

I believe logic is not always dependable but it seems to me saying it is a lot easier than providing it. So what logic keeps one from recognizing scientific fact in the account?

 

[Muffled]

hey Muff,
Who created the Aryan race...10,000 BC ???
~
'mud

I believe God did of course since He created everything.

The genetic studies point to that date. The Atlanteans show up on the genetic radar 2,000 years earlier. However the Aryans are not one race but at least three and possibly four not including the one shapeshifter Hel who was probably a llizard person. The dwarfs are the blondes and the ones Hitler thought of as Aryan but there were also elves who were red heads and wolves with black hair.

I believe science sees them all as Caucasian because they emerged from the Caucasus area.

 

[Muffled]

You are the one with the second hand information.
My soul is my teacher.

Welcome to RF fellow granite stater.

I beleive Jesus is my teacher. Isuppose by soul you mean spirit. Mine knows a little but Jesus knows everything.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Very telling response -- and judging from your other posts, I'm not at all surprised at this response.

Haha, Ok. A very telling response from you also, I suppose I could retort. But I think it not that helpful

 

[Robert.Evans]

So you think appealing to ignorance will give you better understanding of what is being taught?


You do understand people go to church to learn how to understand these text, and they learn from learned men.


There are people here with no education at all, and there are people well learned from years of study, you would be wise to learn and know the difference after reading words of wisdom.

"There are people here with no education at all"!?! Do you mean this site? That is not the right thing to say if that is what you are saying... and I would suggest not true

 

[Robert.Evans]

So taking something out of context is the proper method and all the books of the bible were written to be quote mined for content?

How is that a book that says a non-believer will not understand it, is thought by that same non-believer to be understood? Do you have selective reading.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Genesis is spoken by people thousands of years ago with the ability they had then. Because all things work in a fractal way, what they say is true, though somewhat short in description. When one understands its origins, from consciousness, then it makes sense. To try and force it into a physical realm as we live in will not work as we think. Genesis is scripture as the rest of the book is, and has to be read that way... then the literalness of it will shine through, even though it will not be seen in a worldly literal way. That is just teh way it is

 

[sojourner]

My soul is my teacher.

Mawkish and faux-pious.

 

[sojourner]

Genesis is spoken by people thousands of years ago with the ability they had then. Because all things work in a fractal way, what they say is true, though somewhat short in description. When one understands its origins, from consciousness, then it makes sense. To try and force it into a physical realm as we live in will not work as we think. Genesis is scripture as the rest of the book is, and has to be read that way... then the literalness of it will shine through, even though it will not be seen in a worldly literal way. That is just teh way it is

Translation: "It's true because I believe it's true. In a sort of amorphous, feel-good way."

 

[outhouse]

is thought by that same non-believer to be understood?.

Appealing to severe ignorance.

So if education and knowledge are useless, what are you doing here at this website proselytizing????


You know your just providing perfect examples of fanaticism and fundamentalism.

 

[outhouse]

Genesis is spoken by people thousands of years ago with the ability they had then.

What ability?

from consciousness, then it makes sense.

The only way it makes sense is understood through historical lenses as the mythology it is.


You have no education at all on this topic, and it is obvious.

 

[`mud]

As to the "literal genesis"...I would like to kick CG Didymus' arsse for creating it !!!
But then....it has been interesting, if one ignores the start.
And if one forgets about the cultivation crap, and the rib, and the snake, and the fig leaves, and the killing, and the direction of the eastern cities....
Oh hell....I'd still like to kick his arsse !
~
'mud

 

[greentwiga]

You are the one with the second hand information.
My soul is my teacher.

I like how the Bereans were commended because they heard Paul and then checked out the Scriptures to see if it was true. That is what I do, dig into the Scriptures and science, and history to see if it is true. Trusting my intuition or my "Spirit" just gets me in trouble.

 

[greentwiga]

Translation: "It's true because I believe it's true. In a sort of amorphous, feel-good way."

I couldn't really understand what he was saying either. You summed it up. I liked the religious version of Occam's razor. The interpretation that needs the fewest miracles is probably the right one. My feeling is that if the Bible says it was a miracle, OK, otherwise never insert a miracle. An example might be that when it comes to Noah's flood, the miracle claimed is that God saved the eight people. Too many people insert all sorts of miracles to prop up their interpretation. I have a similar feeling about people who just spiritualize everything to make it say what they want. The interpretation with the fewest spiritualizings is probably the right one.

 

[Thief]

I couldn't really understand what he was saying either. You summed it up. I liked the religious version of Occam's razor. The interpretation that needs the fewest miracles is probably the right one. My feeling is that if the Bible says it was a miracle, OK, otherwise never insert a miracle. An example might be that when it comes to Noah's flood, the miracle claimed is that God saved the eight people. Too many people insert all sorts of miracles to prop up their interpretation. I have a similar feeling about people who just spiritualize everything to make it say what they want. The interpretation with the fewest spiritualizings is probably the right one.

Would you consider a chemical reaction becoming self-aware....a miracle?
If not....an intended creation?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Translation: "It's true because I believe it's true. In a sort of amorphous, feel-good way."

Hmmm... don't think that is what I said.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Appealing to severe ignorance.

So if education and knowledge are useless, what are you doing here at this website proselytizing????


You know your just providing perfect examples of fanaticism and fundamentalism.

attacking people shows you have no argument, as does bragging.

 

[Robert.Evans]

What ability?

haha

The only way it makes sense is understood through historical lenses as the mythology it is.


You have no education at all on this topic, and it is obvious.

A myth is not necessarily untrue. In what sense are you using that word?
And say someone has no education on something is rude and bullying and does nothing for the discussion.... that is assuming you have something to add