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Can a person not believe in the God of Abraham and be a Christian?
- Thread starter Eddi
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There are cultural Christians, some of which are atheists and many other are deists. I'm not too fond of that terminology, but it is well known enough.
But since you are a pantheist... it seems to me that you perceive Jesus as an Avatar of a sort.
Is that being a Christian? I would think not, but I am not one to decide.
The core difficulty IMO is that ultimately (and increasingly) Christianity - very much despite its own behavior and practices - does indeed expect adherents to be sincere believers in the literal existence of Abraham's God.
The way I see it you believe in a Jesus that isn't really the same or compatible with that of what is generally understood as Christianity.
For what it is worth, I fully believe that neither Abraham's God nor a historical Jesus ever existed. I consider the Gospels as fables with a fully fictional Jesus and expect that early Christians understood as much.
IndigoChild5559
Loving God and my neighbor as myself.
I would say that trying to make an argument you are Christian given the beliefs you have may be a bit like trying to force a square peg into a round hole. That is absolutely not to disrespect your beliefs, only to say that they just don't sound Christian. The Christian Bible includes the Jewish texts, which are all about the God of Abraham.
There are many people who draw inspiration from Jesus to various degrees but who are not Christian. You seem to be closer to that .
Have you ever considered Unitarian Universalism?
Ebionite
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No, the Bible does not support your claim.
Then departed Barnabas to Tarsus, for to seek Saul:
And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
Acts 11:25-26
Eliana
Member
Just to be clear I think Christians are idolaters, but the idea of believing in Jesus and not the G-d of Abraham is silly. Jesus said repeatedly that HaShem existed and promoted the notion that they were intertwined, therefore believing in Jesus but not G-d is calling Jesus a liar.
Sorry, maybe I don't understand your point. I said, a Christian = a disciple of Jesus. Acts 11:25-26 says disciples were called Christian first in Antioch. Please explain why do you think it does not mean a Christian = a disciple of Jesus?
Ebionite
Well-Known Member
Because it doesn't say that a Christian is a disciple of Jesus. It says that the Christians were disciples (presumably of Jesus) who were part of a group who were taught by Paul. The distinction of Pauline influence becomes more pronounced with the book of Revelation, where the target audience were those who had rejected Paul, and therefore didn't really meet the definition of Christian even through they were the ecclesia of the voice of the Revelation of the book of John.
If you follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, I would consider you to be a Christian.
But this is where it gets a bit murky due to interpretation of scripture.
Those that believe Jesus is the God of Abraham or that the God of Abraham was the Father Jesus references in Scripture would not consider you a Christian.
I think I can live quite happily with that
servant1
Member
Few on earth claiming to be Christian know the true living God=the Abrahamic God.
This statement drips of arrogance.
How did you come to know what those claiming to be Christian know?
As opposed to the false dead God???
servant1
Member
Years of study=the bible, religions, history of religious events.
servant1
Member
As opposed to the many false gods served in false religions.
Perhaps you would have a more complete picture by actually engaging the people you make these claims about instead of relying exclusively on the texts you've studied. There may be more...Christians and non-Christians alike...who understand the qualities (and/or lack thereof) of a "true living God" than you think.
Until you do this, formulating claims about others and passing them off as universal truths based on studies of the Bible, religions, and religious events comes across and arrogant and pretentious.
servant1
Member
I am a bottom line reality kind of person. I don't believe there is much time left in this satan ruled system to beat around the bush. Maybe that is why Jesus said his followers would be hated. They hated Jesus and his back then and murdered them. Not for teaching, Love, peace and unity, but for exposing the worlds darkness. The world does not like it.Perhaps you would have a more complete picture by actually engaging the people you make these claims about instead of relying exclusively on the texts you've studied. There may be more...Christians and non-Christians alike...who understand the qualities (and/or lack thereof) of a "true living God" than you think.
Until you do this, formulating claims about others and passing them off as universal truths based on studies of the Bible, religions, and religious events comes across and arrogant and pretentious.
Yes many can understand things about the true living God, but this world has twisted who he really is. For example:
The teaching of a literal eternal suffering is a untrue teaching against the true living God. The darkness teaches it as literal..
Peace to all,
True and good information, Thanks.
To me the God of Abraham promised, swore by His own Name eternal life to the descendents of Abraham and Isaac, and 2000 years later He fufilled it with His Son, Jesus.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
True and good information, Thanks.
To me the God of Abraham promised, swore by His own Name eternal life to the descendents of Abraham and Isaac, and 2000 years later He fufilled it with His Son, Jesus.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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servant1
Member
Nice post. I think by descendants it meant= true followers of the true living God.
Are these people still "on earth?" Who are you calling "The world"?
How many of those "claiming to be Christian" with which you've engaged in your lifetime that are alive today tell you they hate Jesus and his followers?
Peace to all,
The logic of from, through and for Him.
To me the God of Abraham promised, swore by His own Name eternal life to the descendents of Abraham and Isaac, and 2000 years later He fufilled it with His Son, Jesus.
To me in logic, Abrahamic Faiths believes in a spirit and the Holy Spirit is the person in Being delivered from the Ark of the New Covenant through the Person of Jesus as The Christ for all mankind.
To me the logic follows:
“For from him, The Person of The Holy Spirit and through him, the Person of Jesus and for him, the Person of The Father are all things” is a verse from the Bible, Romans 11:36
The Logic of the Power of the Trinity is in the power of the Persons in beings.
In logic God delivers the Will of the Father through The Son, The Christ as conceived by the Person of the Holy Spirit in the Person of Jesus. And uniting all becoming immortal and corruptible as one in being together with the Father and The Son becoming again re-sanctified and glorified and transfigured into the image of The Creator God for The Father.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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The logic of from, through and for Him.
To me the God of Abraham promised, swore by His own Name eternal life to the descendents of Abraham and Isaac, and 2000 years later He fufilled it with His Son, Jesus.
To me in logic, Abrahamic Faiths believes in a spirit and the Holy Spirit is the person in Being delivered from the Ark of the New Covenant through the Person of Jesus as The Christ for all mankind.
To me the logic follows:
“For from him, The Person of The Holy Spirit and through him, the Person of Jesus and for him, the Person of The Father are all things” is a verse from the Bible, Romans 11:36
The Logic of the Power of the Trinity is in the power of the Persons in beings.
In logic God delivers the Will of the Father through The Son, The Christ as conceived by the Person of the Holy Spirit in the Person of Jesus. And uniting all becoming immortal and corruptible as one in being together with the Father and The Son becoming again re-sanctified and glorified and transfigured into the image of The Creator God for The Father.
Peace always,
Stephen Andrew
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