Can a person truly understand a text if.........

[Ehav4Ever]

OK, I really didn't ask you about Jesus and Christianity.

Yes, but I have actually answered your questions in several differnt threads. It makes me wonder if you not reading what I have written and if you are not viewing the videos I provided to answer your questions.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Here's another reference to the dilemma for some as to who is a Jew: For non-Jewish mothers raising Jewish children, things can get complicated - Jewish Telegraphic Agency

What dilima? There wasn't a delima on this issue prior to 500 years ago in Europe. In fact, there was no dilama of who was a Jewish in Middle Eastern, North African, Asian, and Ethopian Jewish communities. Halakha, from Mount Sinai, is very clear on what would make someone Jewish. That is when an issue came up during time of Ezra they resolved it by using the Torah.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Now it's my turn to say I gave references. Here is one: Who is a Jew: the Challenge of Modern Jewry

The article is not what I was commenting on. I was commenting on a statement you wrote. What you wrote, which I responded to, was:

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YourTrue wrote: I am prompted to say that I know someone who is Jewish, bar mitzvahed, married a nonJewish woman who did not convert, had a child who got bar mitzvahed, the synagogue approved.​

I.e. you wrote it as if you were referencing someone you knew personally.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

Yes, it is basically the parents' job to teach their children. That is scriptural. Not Hebrew, but about God from the Bible, so while we have differences about that, I am convinced that it is absolutely not necessary for people like me to learn Hebrew.

The Hebrew Torah makes it clear that Hebrew is the langauge that Torath Mosheh Jewish parents to teach in. It also must be noted that I have never claimed that "YOU" personally need to learn Hebrew. I am also convinced that you personally don't need to learn Hebrew. The Torah and the Hebrew language are not your personal responsibility. It is only the responsibility of Torath Mosheh Israelis/Jews.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

I don't know about marriage criteria, though. Though he can convert to judaism as a jew.

Exactly, he can convert. Also, the Bar Mitzvah, according to Jewish law it not what is done in many western Jewish communities. This video below will explain.

 

[Ehav4Ever]

It must be noted that the article that was posted contains the following information.

Title: Matrilineal descent and the struggle for Jewish Identity An American Contrarian View

I.e. this is a personal opinion peice about America's Jews or at least the author's perception. If one reads the article they go all over the place with this.

 

[YoursTrue]

In order to understand what Korah's and Dathan's issue was you would need to look at Jewish commentaries. Their objection was not because of langauge because of an internal issue since Qorah came from a family of Levites, Qohoth ben-Lewi, that had previously been the leaders before Mosheh and Aharon. Dathan, Aviram, and On all came from the tribe Reuven who were the first born of Ya'aqov (Jaob).

They were not concerned with not needing interpreters. Mosheh was not an "interpreter" he was a judge and he transmitted "exactly" what Hashem to him to transmit. Their specific statement (רב-לכם--כי כל-העדה כלם קדשים, ובתוכם יהוה; ומדוע תתנשאו, על-קהל יהוה) against Mosheh and Aharon denotes this. I.e. "You and Aharon put yourselves in this position of being the head Judges of the people and also the priesthood. It didn't come from Hashem - you made yourself the king and your brother the Kohen HaGadol. You invented that for yourselves. We come from the families that are supposed to be the leaders here. Everyone here is at the same level."

Yet, if one goes to Shemoth (Exodus) when the Ten Sayings were made the people moved further away from Mount Sinai out of being overwhelmed by the presense of Hashem and Mosheh stated that they could all come and hear Hashem closer like him. They stated that Mosheh should be the one to go and talk to Hashem and what he transmitted from Hashem they would do. I.e. Mosheh didn't in any way put himself in that position and the opportunity was already there. So, essentially Korah and his group were putting themselves in a very dangerous situation. Yet, the claim of Korah and his group didn't just come out of nowhere. There were events prior, not mentioned in the written in the text, that detail more of thier interests.

What is interesting is that the Hebrew Torah explains that even Qorah's sons backed away from him and his claimed. Further, On ben-Phelet also did not perish. According to Jewish sources it is because his wife saved his life. Before the big challenge was supposed to happen she confronted him about how foolish Qorah's claims were and that Qorah was looking to be the leader and if Qorah was the leader then that means On ben-Phelet would not be. When he wouldn't listen you took off her head covering publically and went outside. Because she delayed him he did not share the same fate as the others.

The Hebrew Torah was writte in a cliff notes format and the inforamtion between the lines was tansmitted from ancient Jewish communities to their descendants. Not every translator took those Jewish sources in account and some had an agenda to not include Jewish sources.

My comment -- I'm sure if everything that happened was written, it would fill the universe, metaphorically speaking, of course.

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, the Torah states exactly what to do when there was no Temple. (Please note that there was only a Temple long after the Mishkan and the Mishkan only came about a long time after Adam and Avraham.)

You're talking about before there was no temple. In Jerusalem. Because Moses got clear direction for the tabernacle, not a temple of stones.

 

[YoursTrue]

The article is not what I was commenting on. I was commenting on a statement you wrote. What you wrote, which I responded to, was:

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YourTrue wrote: I am prompted to say that I know someone who is Jewish, bar mitzvahed, married a nonJewish woman who did not convert, had a child who got bar mitzvahed, the synagogue approved.​

I.e. you wrote it as if you were referencing someone you knew personally.

I do, that is why and how I entered the conversation. I also researched it a bit on the web and see that Canadian Jewry reform (I believe the synagogue is reform), I believe may have a different take on this than American Jewry. Which also is likely shall we say a very reform synagogue. After my personally known experience, I found some articles about this little dilemma.
I also must say that I cannot watch all the videos you post, my time is limited. I will do my best, however, to go over some of them.

 

[YoursTrue]

It must be noted that the article that was posted contains the following information.

Title: Matrilineal descent and the struggle for Jewish Identity An American Contrarian View

I.e. this is a personal opinion peice about America's Jews or at least the author's perception. If one reads the article they go all over the place with this.

About all over the place -- different synagogues have different ideas about these things. Kinda like the Sadducees and the Pharisees.

 

[YoursTrue]

What dilima? There wasn't a delima on this issue prior to 500 years ago in Europe. In fact, there was no dilama of who was a Jewish in Middle Eastern, North African, Asian, and Ethopian Jewish communities. Halakha, from Mount Sinai, is very clear on what would make someone Jewish. That is when an issue came up during time of Ezra they resolved it by using the Torah.

Evidently the issue is still 'up' since synagogues are dealing with non-Jewish mothers. I'm sure there was no problem about who was really Jewish by matriachal lineage until recently to a degree. Meantime I just listened to a true story on NPR (National Public Radio in the U.S., you probably know about that radio station) of a woman who was raised in Dubai but was expelled from Jaffa during the '48 war, she found herself without a passport, then much later learned she was from a Sephardic Jewish background and finally applied for and got a Spanish passport. Meantime many Jews converted to Islam during that persecution period to escape persecution, and I'm quite sure many did not "re-convert" back to Judaism.

 

[YoursTrue]

It must be noted that the article that was posted contains the following information.

Title: Matrilineal descent and the struggle for Jewish Identity An American Contrarian View

I.e. this is a personal opinion peice about America's Jews or at least the author's perception. If one reads the article they go all over the place with this.

Going back to the personal experience of a woman born to considered non-Jewish parents when they were expelled during the '48 war, she could not get a passport, she was not considered a citizen of any country. Until she found out that she was from a Sephardic Jewish background and a Jewish agency in Spain approved her as a Jew and she got a passport.
And then I found this story about a woman's journey from Catholicism to Judaism. At the end of the essay, it says:
"But against doubts and opposition, she completed her conversion to Judaism in 2005 and has since filled out her papers to emigrate to Israel. At the age of 54, she hopes to study to become a rabbi."
'Crypto-Jews' In The Southwest Find Faith In A Shrouded Legacy

 

[YoursTrue]

Yes, but I have actually answered your questions in several differnt threads. It makes me wonder if you not reading what I have written and if you are not viewing the videos I provided to answer your questions.

Before I studied the holy scriptures with Jehovah's Witnesses I went to synagogue. Sure it was a reform synagogue, but I went rather regularly. And I never once learned about Adam and Eve. I can only imagine that the rabbi who went on to teach in a famous University known to be "Jewish" thought it was a fictional account. He died so I cannot ask him. But it is clear (to me) that Adam and Eve lost their right to eternal life because of their rebelliousness. And it is also very clear that the whole world, Jews and non-Jews, suffer because of our first parents. Now I know you don't believe the interpretations Paul gives to this, but it makes sense to me. Romans 5:12. I thank you for your conversation, may you have a good day.
Romans 5:12 states that “through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men because they had all sinned.”