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Can a Society Without Universal Healthcare be a Moral Society?

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
If a society can afford universal health care, but does not provide it, and people die as a consequence, can that society be considered moral, ethical, just, or humane?
 
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MSizer

MSizer
Emphatically YES. If it is a human society, it is impossible to not be moral (morality is a human trait, so it's like asking if the society can be without language). However, a system that does not provide equal opportunity for medical services is an unethical one.
 

Sunstone

De Diablo Del Fora
Premium Member
Emphatically YES. If it is a human society, it is impossible to not be moral (morality is a human trait, so it's like asking if the society can be without language). However, a system that does not provide equal opportunity for medical services is an unethical one.

OK, I've amended the OP accordingly.
 

gnomon

Well-Known Member
It all depends upon implementation.

I like to hold to the position that health care should be a basic right. However, looking at state efforts at other basic rights, such as education, show that just because we say it it doesn't mean it's implemented well.

Then there is the question of affordability. Just look at California. What they could afford a decade ago when the economy was strong is just now a ruin that analysts from both major political parties find disturbing.

I wouldn't consider any universal program to be more humane if it results in lower quality and is less efficient than the current model.

Guess that's why I've had my fingers crossed during these health care debates.
 

sandandfoam

Veteran Member
If a society can afford universal health care, but does not provide it, and people die as a consequence, can that society be considered moral, ethical, just, or humane?
Society is just a group of people right?
If a group of people allow some be ill or die because they haven't got enough digits stored in a computer somewhere that group of people is immoral, unjust, unethical and inhumane as I understand those words.
I can't even understand why the debate about universal healthcare exists. Politicians and Bankers get paid kings ransoms, this generally goes unquestioned and unprotested, yet the idea that taking care of everyone seems absurd in some eyes compared to the idea of taking care of some and making a profit on it!!
Nuts.
 

LittleNipper

Well-Known Member
If a society can afford universal health care, but does not provide it, and people die as a consequence, can that society be considered moral, ethical, just, or humane?

If a society can afford to give 10% of its net worth to religious organizations, but does not do it, and the people go to hell as a consequence, can that society be considered moral, ethical, just, or humane?
 

Kilgore Trout

Misanthropic Humanist
If a society can afford to give 10% of its net worth to religious organizations, but does not do it, and the people go to hell as a consequence, can that society be considered moral, ethical, just, or humane?

Interesting - so the entry fee to heaven is 10% of net worth? Didn't know that.
 

tumbleweed41

Resident Liberal Hippie
Yes, it is unethical for a society that could provide health-care to it's population, to not do so.


If a society can afford to give 10% of its net worth to religious organizations, but does not do it, and the people go to hell as a consequence, can that society be considered moral, ethical, just, or humane?

Irrelevant to the discussion. (But thanks for letting us know the fee at the Pearly Gates)
 

Reverend Rick

Frubal Whore
Premium Member
Should water, electricity, sewer, cable, phone, internet, child care and food be basic rights as well as health care too? How about housing? Transportation?
 
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