Can Armageddon Be Avoided?

[crimsonlung]

So looking at this from an Abrahamic standpoint (please chime in with other religions if it can relate) Armageddon is happening on Earth. The "Earth" is mentioned several times for the reconnaissance point of "The Final Battle" and the end of days.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the Earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. [/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity: the Earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif] “A noise shall come even to the ends of the Earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, He will plead with all flesh; He will give them that are wicked to the sword.” Jeremiah 25:31.[/FONT]

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Behold, the Lord maketh the Earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the Earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the Earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6.[/FONT]
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And the list goes on in both Islam and Christianity, however, I haven't looked into others so please chime in if you havem.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. If Earth as a whole or many of its people used space travel to find another planet to inhabit, would those people still see the signs or any bit of the Armageddon? Would they still be involved? If the Earth were destroyed, would they still live peacefully on their new planet uninterrupted? I don't really see an explanation from either religions. (ok this is more than 1 question)

2. Is the interpretation of the word "Earth" in both books mean the planet Earth?

Surely since these books are considered the word of God that there would be something about what happens to the people that live on another planet, right?

 

[PolyHedral]

Depends how fast SCIENCE! advances.

 

[crimsonlung]

Depends how fast SCIENCE! advances.

I agree, do you think that the end will come before we make it to another planet?

And doesn't it seem that God or Allah or Yahweh does not want human kind to reach past Earth? If god created the universe, look at all the obstacles preventing us from leaving the planet easily:

• There are no livable planets like Earth that we see among a reachable distance.
• There is no oxygen between us and other planets, and even on other planets and stars.
• It takes a significant amount of Earth resources (many non-renewable) to send anything into space

And I am sure there are more.

And according to Islam, we are already seeing MANY signs of Armageddon.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

In Christianity, Armageddon hails the end of this world, followed closely by the end of the cosmos. So it won't matter what planet you're on.

Armageddon as a day of judgment before the Lord is unavoidable, but as a war between nations it certainly is avoidable.

From this perspective, the best thing that all of us can do is love our neighbor as ourselves and love God. Both will help us in the day of judgment, and both will help us live in peace.

 

[Diederick]

I think that in many Christian denominations, as well as in Judaism, the end of the world is a significant part of the system of belief. And since it is God's plan to do it, it can not be avoided.

 

[crimsonlung]

In Christianity, Armageddon hails the end of this world, followed closely by the end of the cosmos. So it won't matter what planet you're on.

Armageddon as a day of judgment before the Lord is unavoidable, but as a war between nations it certainly is avoidable.

Is there a bible verse that states this?

 

[BruceDLimber]

>Can Armageddon be avoided?

I fear you're a bit late!

IOV the Battle of Armageddon took place in 1918 near the end of World War I on the Plain of Megiddo not far from Haifa, when the British General Allenby defeated the Turks there just before they were preparing to commit certain religious atrocities!

So that's now all more-or-less ancient history!

Peace,

Bruce

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Is there a bible verse that states this?

Hebrews 1:10-13

 

[crimsonlung]

Hebrews 1:10-13

10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: 11 They shall perish ; but thou remainest ; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; 12 And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up , and they shall be changed : but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail . 13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool ?

It says Earth and Heaven.

 

[PolyHedral]

I was going to point out that Heaven could mean the sky/universe at large, but then the rest of the Bible would imply that God is a space alien.

 

[bobhikes]

I was going to point out that Heaven could mean the sky/universe at large, but then the rest of the Bible would imply that God is a space alien.

Yeah kinda agree Heaven and Universe do not really work for me. I see the interpetation but it effects a lot of the bible then.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Yeah kinda agree Heaven and Universe do not really work for me. I see the interpetation but it effects a lot of the bible then.

How would it effect a lot of the bible?

The bible already says that God is the creator of everything, and God destroys everything. It's called cosmology.

 

[PolyHedral]

Because, if we interpret Heaven to be the universe, then that means that God physically lives somewhere in the universe, i.e. He's an alien.

 

[bobhikes]

How would it effect a lot of the bible?

The bible already says that God is the creator of everything, and God destroys everything. It's called cosmology.

If you start with Genesis. Heaven, The Stars, The sun and moon are all created separately. Heaven is specifically called the firmament.

Then the rest of the bible Heaven is basically the home of god. The only way to get there is through dying and being reborn. This does not equate well with the Universe.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Because, if we interpret Heaven to be the universe, then that means that God physically lives somewhere in the universe, i.e. He's an alien.

That's an odd logic.

God created the cosmos. This does not make God an alien in the sense of an EBE. To us, God may be alien, but in Christian theology God is the Creator and Judge.

 

[Thesavorofpan]

So looking at this from an Abrahamic standpoint (please chime in with other religions if it can relate) Armageddon is happening on Earth. The "Earth" is mentioned several times for the reconnaissance point of "The Final Battle" and the end of days.

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the Earth even unto the other end of the Earth: they shall not be lamented, neither gathered, nor buried.” Jeremiah 25:33. [/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“The Lord cometh out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the Earth for their iniquity: the Earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.” Isaiah 26:21[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“A noise shall come even to the ends of the Earth; for the Lord hath a controversy with the nations, He will plead with all flesh; He will give them that are wicked to the sword.” Jeremiah 25:31.[/FONT]​

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]“Behold, the Lord maketh the Earth empty, and maketh it waste, and turneth it upside down, and scattereth abroad the inhabitants thereof.” “The land shall be utterly emptied, and utterly spoiled: for the Lord hath spoken this word.” “Because they have transgressed the laws, changed the ordinance, broken the everlasting covenant. Therefore hath the curse devoured the Earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the Earth are burned.” Isaiah 24:1, 3, 5, 6.[/FONT]​

And the list goes on in both Islam and Christianity, however, I haven't looked into others so please chime in if you havem.

So, I have 2 questions:

1. If Earth as a whole or many of its people used space travel to find another planet to inhabit, would those people still see the signs or any bit of the Armageddon? Would they still be involved? If the Earth were destroyed, would they still live peacefully on their new planet uninterrupted? I don't really see an explanation from either religions. (ok this is more than 1 question)

2. Is the interpretation of the word "Earth" in both books mean the planet Earth?

Surely since these books are considered the word of God that there would be something about what happens to the people that live on another planet, right?

Well the point in this whole Armageddon thing is not the fact the earth will be destroyed, but the fact that God will wipe humans off the fac of earth before that happens.

 

[crimsonlung]

But where in the Bible does it say this?

 

[crimsonlung]

That's an odd logic.

God created the cosmos. This does not make God an alien in the sense of an EBE. To us, God may be alien, but in Christian theology God is the Creator and Judge.

I dont think your understanding what he meant. In the bible verse, its saying god will destroy heaven and earth, but doesn't mention the universe. So, is heaven part of the Universe? If so, then it sounds like god would be out there physically.

 

[Midnight Pete]

In Christianity, Armageddon hails the end of this world, followed closely by the end of the cosmos. So it won't matter what planet you're on.

Armageddon as a day of judgment before the Lord is unavoidable, but as a war between nations it certainly is avoidable.

From this perspective, the best thing that all of us can do is love our neighbor as ourselves and love God. Both will help us in the day of judgment, and both will help us live in peace.

Judgement Day is inevitable.

 

[bobhikes]

Even the book of Revelations only destroy's the earth. Maybe leaving this planet is a way to beat god.