Can Atheists Imagine?

[Smoke]

Ahhh, we still have a year and a half to get things so screwed up, it will take the next President several years to clean up the mess. We have more than enough time to accomplish several agendas.

We passed that point a long time ago. If Bush and Cheney and all their supporters dropped dead today, it'd probably take 20 years to straighten things out. By January 2009, it may be more like 40. Rarely has an administration screwed things up so thoroughly.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Rarely has an administration screwed things up so thoroughly.

You forgot, and accomplished so much for so few. :beach:

 

[logician]

We passed that point a long time ago. If Bush and Cheney and all their supporters dropped dead today, it'd probably take 20 years to straighten things out. By January 2009, it may be more like 40. Rarely has an administration screwed things up so thoroughly.

That's why I am for impeachment, and disagree with those that say why bother. Another year and a half in office gives BUsh/Cheney another year and a half to do that much more damage to the world.

 

[Aasimar]

Look here folks, in the great words of my fearless leader Gee-Dub Bush "I think we can all agree the past is over." What say you now heathens?

 

[rojse]

How far in the past is the past over? Seventeen years ago, when George W Bush's father invaded the middle East in the Gulf War?

 

[Jeremiah]

Can Atheists Imagine?

Of course! After all it was an atheist's imagination that created god.

 

[Autodidact]

Who said anything about killing?

Me, did you miss it?

This is not a thread about the definition of a Christian, I should know, I am the author of the thread. This is a thread for Atheists to imagine.

O.K., but it's not about our political beliefs.

 

[Autodidact]

That is the point most non-Christians miss. Jesus knows that everyone is a sinner and we all fall short of the grace of God. Our best works are but filthy rags to him. That's why Jesus died on the cross to wipe away our sins.

When the spirit enters your body, you sin less but are still not perfect, not one of us. Just a lustful thought is a sin and is no lesser or greater a sin than killing a person.

We Christians are to try to be more like Jesus, not be exactly like him. If this was the standard to be perfect like he was, we would all burn in hell.

In the old days when a Christian sinned, he had to atone for the sin with a sacrifice. Jesus made this unnecessary with the new covenant.

Do you have a shred of evidence to support your factual assertion that Christians sin less than non-christians? That has not been my experience.

 

[Blindinglight]

This all ties to armageddon, the tribulation period and Israel.

I see this as being tied into political greed. Just look at who is making money from this war.
As far as the "strategic" point, please do mention where such a point exist that can be used to effeciently deploy American forces?

You forgot, and accomplished so much for so few. :beach:

Well, scrap thieves are making a decent living with copper prices being high right now. Ever take alook at how many houses have been stripped of electrical wires and a/c units in the past two years? A side effect of this prolonged war.
I guess Bush did accomplish making something easy for one particular group of people.

 

[MBones]

Yes but you are forgetting 9/11. 9/11 was staged by al qaeda, thats it. Attack the country which they are hailed from, afghanistan. Not iraq? We put very few soldiers in afghanistan, and put too many in iraq. We should have put all of it in afghanistan and caught Osama when we had the chance. Instead we find the leader of Iraq in a wormhole in the middle of a barren country. While all of the time we can't find a terroist using cell phones in the middle of the mountains. Oil was the message of this war and the people are tired of this crap. Osama's business partners are very tight with those of the bushes. The Saudis are very tight with the bushes. What is going wrong here? Money is more important than the well being of innocent civilians.

 

[Reverend Rick]

Yes but you are forgetting 9/11. 9/11 was staged by al qaeda, thats it. Attack the country which they are hailed from, afghanistan. Not iraq? We put very few soldiers in afghanistan, and put too many in iraq. We should have put all of it in afghanistan and caught Osama when we had the chance. Instead we find the leader of Iraq in a wormhole in the middle of a barren country. While all of the time we can't find a terroist using cell phones in the middle of the mountains. Oil was the message of this war and the people are tired of this crap. Osama's business partners are very tight with those of the bushes. The Saudis are very tight with the bushes. What is going wrong here? Money is more important than the well being of innocent civilians.

If we would have done what you suggested, you would now be complaining about us being in Pakistan instead of Iraq.

 

[MBones]

Us Reverend Rick. No I would have not. But the fact falls that we did nothing to get Osama when we had the chance. Oil is the price in the white house now. The bin ladens were in the US when this went down, and we hired planes to get them out. See for yourself the flight records of that day lists those planes going out while none were allowed to leave? Why did we let them get out of the country? The Bin Ladin family should have been kept here for questioning following such a harsh reality on this country. Well if Iraq did it show me the proof...........

 

[Autodidact]

We fight the terrorists over there to keep them over there. Terrorists kill women and children, (even their own). At least we are fighting the terrorists with our men that volunteered and were trained and armed.

Iraq is a staging ground for the Iran war. We have a strategic position in the middle east and we plan on keeping it. At least I am willing to lay the cards on the table.

This all ties to armageddon, the tribulation period and Israel.

And this is why it is so dangerous for people who base their military and political decisions on their interpretation of some ancient myths to be in power.

 

[Autodidact]

That's why I am for impeachment, and disagree with those that say why bother. Another year and a half in office gives BUsh/Cheney another year and a half to do that much more damage to the world.

Furthermore, it sets a precedent that an administration can flout the Constitution, our laws and international law, and get away with it. I actually think that is more important than what happens in the next ten years. Have you taken any steps to further impeachment?

 

[doppelganger]

Actually, it all has to do with Ragnarok. We need to position ourselves strategically to strike the head of Jormungandr! All our troops in Iraq need to be re-deployed to Norway immediately!

 

[Autodidact]

Look here folks, in the great words of my fearless leader Gee-Dub Bush "I think we can all agree the past is over." What say you now heathens?

I agree. Let's worry about the future. Impeach the bums.

 

[Autodidact]

Yes but you are forgetting 9/11. 9/11 was staged by al qaeda, thats it. Attack the country which they are hailed from, afghanistan. Not iraq? We put very few soldiers in afghanistan, and put too many in iraq. We should have put all of it in afghanistan and caught Osama when we had the chance. Instead we find the leader of Iraq in a wormhole in the middle of a barren country. While all of the time we can't find a terroist using cell phones in the middle of the mountains. Oil was the message of this war and the people are tired of this crap. Osama's business partners are very tight with those of the bushes. The Saudis are very tight with the bushes. What is going wrong here? Money is more important than the well being of innocent civilians.

It reminds me of the guy who was looking for his keys under a streetlight. When someone asked him if he had dropped them there, he replied, "No, but the light is so much better here." The enemy was not in Iraq, but there was a convenient target there that they could defeat.

 

[doppelganger]

"The enemy is within" = the true meaning of "terror"-ism.

 

[MBones]

Spot on Autodidact.

 

[Reverend Rick]

George W. Bush is a great President if your not a bleeding heart Liberal Democrat wannabe socialist.

You cannot impeach him, it is a waste of breath to even mention it.

What upsets the most of you is, you are not in the majority. Not everyone feels or thinks like you do, (thank God).