It is often stated by religious people that objective morality comes from God (Biblical), but is it really possible for him to be moral under his own rules?
Simply using the Bible as example, but as far as I know it is the same for Islam in this case.
Im going to use this text as basis for this (If they are wrong, let me know and explain why they are):
The Ten Commandments
Moses received the Ten Commandments directly from God on Mount Sinai, written on two stone tablets. They assert the uniqueness of God, and forbid such things as theft, adultery, murder and lying. The Ten Commandments are equally important in Jewish and Christian traditions and appear in the Old Testament in Exodus and Deuteronomy.
Various Christian and Jewish traditions have different wordings for the Ten Commandments. They can be numbered differently. They appear in various forms in the Bible. This is a Christian version:
The Qur'an does not list the Ten Commandments explicitly, but their substance appears in various places.
- I am the Lord thy God: thou shalt not have strange Gods before me
- Thou shall not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain
- Remember to keep holy the Lord's Day
- Honour thy father and thy mother
- Thou shalt not kill
- Thou shalt not commit adultery
- Thou shalt not steal
- Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour
- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife
- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's goods
God is often referred to as being all good, all knowing etc. and obviously also the author of morality, more specifically objective morality.
Often there is some misunderstandings regarding what is meant by objective morality, so to quickly explain it, it simply means that morality apply regardless of humans being here or not. So when God say that killing is morally wrong, it is wrong regardless of whether not we we were here. Said in another way, in this context it means that God decides what is right and wrong.
My question or issue is whether a person or God in this case can be said to be moral consistent, unless they themself can uphold their own moral rules.
If I tell you that it is morally wrong to steal and I punish you for doing so, but then decide to steal something myself, would you consider me to be morally justified since I made the rule?
Same can be asked about God, "Thou shalt not kill" yet we know that God kills and orders the killing of many people in favour of the Jews. So does God's objective moralities applies to him as well, as they do to me in the above example or not?
Despite him being the creator of everything, objective morality is rules decided by God to be true and therefore arguably part of his nature. But is it possible for someone, God or human to be moral, if they can't uphold their own moral standards?
I want you to take into consideration that, simply because you create or is seen as the caretaker of something, does that mean that you are not morally responsible for said creation? By caretaker I mean, let's imagine you own a dog and it have puppies, and you are morally against killing puppies, are you then not morally obligated to treat all puppies according to your own moral rules, if you want to stay morally coherent, under the concept of objective morality?
If not, God must obviously follow subjective moral ideas and therefore objective morality is likely to be an illusion applied to us by God as if they were, and therefore seen more as divine laws, which God himself apparently doesn't seem a need to uphold himself. Wouldn't that make God immoral, under the general human understanding of morality?
Because I would argue, that a person can't be morally consistent, if they can't uphold their own moral standards. For instant most people will agree that under most circumstances stealing is wrong, yet most people have probably stolen something at some point that they weren't legally entitled to. (Doesn't have to be anything major) But still this would be considered morally inconsistent in my opinion, if we claim that stealing is objectively wrong.
So can God be moral? And if so why?
Morality is for mortals, not Gods.
Morality is for the masses, not kings (nor their sisters, and their cousins, whom they reckon up by dozens, and their aunts). (Gilbert and Sullivan, Mikado). The king of Saudi Arabia pays a fortune for his spawn to buy prostitutes around the world, and they brag that American women are sexually easy and therefore, American morals are much lower than Saudi morals (which pay for the easy morals). Drinking, slutting, and gambling their way around the world, they brag about their fine morals.
Golden Rule (he who has the gold makes the rules).
"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife," and "thou shalt not commit adultery," but God had sex with Mary (married to Joseph at the time), and had Jesus. I wonder what kind of STDs you might get from one who has been around since the dawn of time?
"Thou shalt not kill" (God flooded the earth during Noah's time)(God wiped out Sodom).
We've been told that Moses was given the 10 commandments. But suppose God had those 10 stone tablets laying around and Moses stole them?
The 10 Commandments are not "equally important" they were the law of the Jews, and those were borrowed by Christians (first), the later by Moslems.
Keep holy the lord's day (that's Friday night to Saturday night, right?).
God is in favor of the Jews? You wouldn't think that they were the chosen ones, in light of Nazi Germany. Couldn't God choose someone else for a change?
Man was made in God's image. But there are many races, at least two sexes, different heights, and different weights (I figure by weight, alone, I should be very blessed).
Could it be that we are not made in the physical image of God (since we each have different physical images)? Could it be that we are, instead, made in the moral image of God? That is....flawed? Can God expect us to be less flawed that he is? Can God expect to put temptation in the Garden of Eden, then tell us that not only did Adam and Eve sin, but that sin will carry down through the various thousands of generations to those who had nothing at all to do with the sin?
Theists ask for God's forgiveness. Should theists, instead, try to forgive God for his various sins?
Nimos said: "have puppies, and you are morally against killing puppies, are you then not morally obligated to treat all puppies according to your own moral rules."
You mean "thou shalt not covet the dog's mom?" I feel lucky if I can get their doggie dad from climbing on me.
I've seen egregious breaches of morality by theists (such as Reverend Schuller's (Crystal Cathedral) son photographed in public with a bottle of booze in one arm, scantily clad blonde in another arm, and his pants down and his penis sticking out). Yet, theists claim that they are more moral than atheists.
Atheists have their own set of morals, and those have nothing to do with the fear that God will see and punish.