Can good people go to hell?

[JoStories]

Probably because ' ice ' would not have worked as well !!!
Seriously though, Acts of the Apostles 20:29-30 helps shed some light on that ' fiery ' subject.
We are forewarned that oppressive wolves ( false clergy dressed in sheep's clothing ) would try to fleece the flock of God in order to draw away followers after themselves.
- 1 Timothy 4:1; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; 1 John 2:18-19
In other words, false clergy put words in Jesus' mouth that never came out of Jesus' mouth. As if they are some sort of holy ventriloquists.
They often use their own agenda, often political, instead of Jesus' agenda, in order to further their own agenda.
They are the composite ' man of sin ' the ' son of perdition (destruction)' who seat themselves in the temple (houses of worship) as if they are God when in reality they are anti-God.
- 2 Thessalonians 2:3-5; 2 Thessalonians 2:6-8; Isaiah 11:3-4; Revelation 19:14-16

Everything you use here is Paulian dogma and you have the audacity to say that false clergy put words in Christ's mouth? What of Paul putting words that Christ never spoke? After all, he never met the man. You only have the Bible as proof that he met Christ and that is known as self fulfilling prophecy. Every verse you use is Paulian dogma so who is blowing smoke up whose wazoo here?

 

[JoStories]

My religion states heaven is real. so now, disprove it.

I don't have to. You made the first assertion. And that is known as circular and faulty logic. So again, prove your assertion or admit you are full of merde.

 

[JoStories]

why do you join Buddhism? what if you don't follow it? what could be the risk?

Quite frankly, why I chose Buddhism is none of your business. And I do follow it with no risk whatsoever.

 

[uncung]

Quite frankly, why I chose Buddhism is none of your business. And I do follow it with no risk whatsoever.

hmm, what if people ask you the same question?

 

[JoStories]

Conclusion: uncung is pulling our chains. He must be.

My two cents? He/She is a troll and best ignored.

 

[uncung]

I don't have to. You made the first assertion. And that is known as circular and faulty logic. So again, prove your assertion or admit you are full of merde.

well it is a true circular logic. The proof of heaven is real is in my religion. My religion states that heaven is real. It is the evidence. I know you cant debunk it, can you? you can't.

 

[uncung]

My two cents? He/She is a troll and best ignored.

Ignore it when you can't provide the comprehensive response.

 

[JoStories]

You're right, you don't. And that's why your claim of being healed by God is both preposterous, and insulting to those who weren't healed. IMO, of course.

I totally agree demon. Its hubris of those who taut this mindset to say that those of us with some disease; I have severe rheumatoid arthritis, cannot be cured or aren't cured while some others are. Why not everyone? It is a complete and total insult.

 

[JoStories]

And you are certainly entitled to your opinion. My parents were not healed, they didnt think it was preposterous or insulting, they were happy that they were going to be healed with a
new body in heaven! Never to be susceptible to disease or pain ever again! There are people in our church who have died of cancer and some who have been healed. They accept that. The point is, we are all going to die, period. Where are you going to go after that, because that is going to be forever! That is more important to think about.

This is nothing more than your opinion that you cannot prove or substantiate in any way, shape or fashion. Buddhists have believed in reincarnation for many hundreds of years but we are not going to say to you that you are stupid or damned if you don't believe that. do you not see the hubris is your assertions to the rest of us?

 

[JoStories]

. It is in the written record of scripture that Jesus heal the sick, people who had leprosy, a horrible disease,

And yet, that disease, medically known as Hanson's Disease, still exists and is more debilitating than anyone knows. I have cared for many people with Hanson's. They have yet to be miraculously cured by anyone or anything.

 

[JoStories]

Listen, some are spared some are not. Its not a matter of healing. I would be crushed if my child was killed! But here is the difference, I know that this life isnt all there is and the comfort would come knowing I will see him again! For those that dont trust in Jesus for their eternal salvation have no hope at all. They certainly will not see their loved ones again even if their loved ones are in heaven. And I would say YES! It is a miracle your son was saved! Why was one saved and the other 29 lost? I dont know!
When you put your trust in God that when you die, and her we go again, no one knows who or when, that you have your eternity in heaven locked in. Do you know that when you die you will be in heaven? If so, what do you base your trust in?

I respect that this is your belief and it sustains you. For many, including my aunt, who lost two of her children in a terrible fire, one whom she watched burn to death screaming her name and the other who she dropped while trying to save her and her brother, she lost all faith in anything. And frankly, I didn't blame her. Can you imagine watching your child burn to death? I can't. Where was God then? Sure, it sounds lovely to think that her children went to heaven but in no way whatsoever does it assuage her guilt, rage, sorrow, sadness, and loss. If that is what God wanted to have her endure, can you honestly blame her for not believing in such a notion?

 

[rusra02]

How is that any different Rusra02? Truly, the bottom line is that some will get to go to this alleged 'heaven' and some will get to rot. How is that a tenable choice? This faith condemns every Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Jew, etc, to some other place and its unpalatable. Explain how that is seen as a draw to your faith and fair to the millions of people who believe in God, but just have a different view of who and/or what God is?

The Bible says that God's "will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth. " (1 Timothy 2:4) I believe the true God is now giving everyone the opportunity to come to this accurate knowledge. Jesus said that " this good news of the Kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come." (Matthew 24:14) I believe God will hold each of us accountable for how we respond to his invitation to "let anyone thirsting come; let anyone who wishes take life’s water free." (Revelation 22:17)

 

[dianaiad]

Paulian dogma has very little to do with Christ. It does if and only if one believes that Paul actually met Christ, for which there is zero actual evidence. This books were written in a time that required the clergy to try to keep the masses in check and also to try to subvert the Paganism that had existed for ages before this 'new faith' popped up.

OK, I have to admit that Paul isn't my favorite apostle. He comes across as misogynistic, legalistic, and the first Christian Pharisee...dragging all his previous biases in with him when he converted. If and when I do ever meet him, I'll have a few pointed comments to make. As well, you are right that there is zero evidence that he actually met Jesus (though he probably saw Him, at least, and almost certainly knew about Him during His lifetime). My opinion of his personality aside, however, Paul's position as an apostle is based upon his actually receiving revelation FROM Jesus Christ, as the other apostles did, according to Acts. If he did receive that revelation, then he 'met' Christ, whether or not I want to drop water balloons at him from a great height. The problem is, the bible, when talking about prophets and apostles, goes to some lengths to point out the human flaws in the people God chooses to use, and Paul, irritating as he is, fits right into that particular pattern.

The question you are raising, though, is an important one for me. Are you saying that only those who actually met and followed Jesus during His lifetime are qualified to be apostles/prophets, and to have contributed to scripture?

As well, while I agree with you that the books were compiled into what we know as 'the bible' partly for the reason you state, I don't think that this is why those books and letters were actually written. (large font for JoStories)

 

[Demonslayer]

I respect that this is your belief and it sustains you. For many, including my aunt, who lost two of her children in a terrible fire, one whom she watched burn to death screaming her name and the other who she dropped while trying to save her and her brother, she lost all faith in anything. And frankly, I didn't blame her. Can you imagine watching your child burn to death? I can't. Where was God then?

He was busy removing 98% of the world's prostate cancer

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Everything you use here is Paulian dogma and you have the audacity to say that false clergy put words in Christ's mouth? What of Paul putting words that Christ never spoke? After all, he never met the man. You only have the Bible as proof that he met Christ and that is known as self fulfilling prophecy. Every verse you use is Paulian dogma so who is blowing smoke up whose wazoo here?

Absolutely right, we only have the Bible as proof. Even proof that Christ existed.
Aren't there corresponding cross-references verses and passages with what Paul wrote?______
Didn't gospel writer Luke write the book of Acts ?__________
So, if you eliminate Paul's writings, then shouldn't you also eliminate what Luke wrote in Luke and Acts ?_______

 

[URAVIP2ME]

And yet, that disease, medically known as Hanson's Disease, still exists and is more debilitating than anyone knows. I have cared for many people with Hanson's. They have yet to be miraculously cured by anyone or anything.

Yes, Hanson's Disease exists today, but it is Not necessarily exactly the same a strain as the time of Moses.
Why would you expect any today to be miraculously cured ?
While on Earth did Jesus heal or cure everyone? According to Scripture he did Not.
Jesus' main focus or work was teaching - Luke 4:43; Matthew 28:18-20
The miraculous works Jesus performed were just a small sample, a preview, a coming attraction, of what Jesus will do on a grand-global scale during his 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth comes. Then, mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' Tree of Life ' for the healing or curing of Earth's nations - Revelation 22:2; Isaiah 33:24

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I respect that this is your belief and it sustains you. For many, including my aunt, who lost two of her children in a terrible fire, one whom she watched burn to death screaming her name and the other who she dropped while trying to save her and her brother, she lost all faith in anything. And frankly, I didn't blame her. Can you imagine watching your child burn to death? I can't. Where was God then? Sure, it sounds lovely to think that her children went to heaven but in no way whatsoever does it assuage her guilt, rage, sorrow, sadness, and loss. If that is what God wanted to have her endure, can you honestly blame her for not believing in such a notion?

Did God start the fire ?________ Since Adam rejected God by breaking God's Law, then Adam chose independence from God.
The passing of time shows that independent mankind can Not successfully direct his step - Jeremiah 10:23
Satan challenges all of us. Didn't Job loose his children ?_______
Satan challenges that ' touch our flesh '( Loose physical health ) and we would Not serve God- Job 2:4-5
Under Adverse conditions both Job and Jesus proved Satan a liar.
False clergy teach God takes children to heaven. Dead children are asleep in the grave until Resurrection Day or Jesus' millennium-long day of governing over Earth.- Revelation 1:18
Just as Jesus resurrected dead children back to healthy life on Earth, dead children will be restored back to perfectly healthy life under Christ' 1,000-year rulership over Earth.
Rejoice because there ' is going to be ' a resurrection.......- Acts of the Apostles 24:15

 

[URAVIP2ME]

OK, I have to admit that Paul isn't my favorite apostle. He comes across as misogynistic, legalistic, and the first Christian Pharisee...dragging all his previous biases in with him when he converted. If and when I do ever meet him, I'll have a few pointed comments to make. As well, you are right that there is zero evidence that he actually met Jesus (though he probably saw Him, at least, and almost certainly knew about Him during His lifetime). My opinion of his personality aside, however, Paul's position as an apostle is based upon his actually receiving revelation FROM Jesus Christ, as the other apostles did, according to Acts. If he did receive that revelation, then he 'met' Christ, whether or not I want to drop water balloons at him from a great height. The problem is, the bible, when talking about prophets and apostles, goes to some lengths to point out the human flaws in the people God chooses to use, and Paul, irritating as he is, fits right into that particular pattern.
The question you are raising, though, is an important one for me. Are you saying that only those who actually met and followed Jesus during His lifetime are qualified to be apostles/prophets, and to have contributed to scripture?
As well, while I agree with you that the books were compiled into what we know as 'the bible' partly for the reason you state, I don't think that this is why those books and letters were actually written. (large font for JoStories)

Who said that in showing honor to one another take the lead _________ at Romans 12:10. Do you disagree with that ?______
Didn't Paul remain humble ________- 1 Corinthians 15:9-11
Have you ever considered how Paul handled a problem that arose in Antioch ?
The Christian congregation was split over the issue of circumcision - Acts of the Apostles 14:26-28 to Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2
Since Paul had been appointed to take the lead in preaching to the gentile nations, Paul could have thought himself an expert in dealing with non-Jews.
Paul could have felt qualified to resolve the problem - Galatians 2:8-9
When Paul's efforts did not clear up the problem, the with both humility and modesty Paul went along with the arrangements of the elders in Jerusalem.
Paul discussed and co-operated fully as those elders listened to the matter. Paul acted fully as the elders reached a decision, and they assigned Paul to be one of their messengers.
See - Acts of the Apostles 15:22-24; Acts of the Apostles 15:25-27; Acts of the Apostles 15:28-30; Acts of the Apostles 15:31
Doesn't Paul's action and behavior there show that Paul took the lead in showing honor to his fellow servants in Christ our Lord ?________- Romans 12:10

 

[dianaiad]

Who said that in showing honor to one another take the lead _________ at Romans 12:10. Do you disagree with that ?______
Didn't Paul remain humble ________- 1 Corinthians 15:9-11
Have you ever considered how Paul handled a problem that arose in Antioch ?
The Christian congregation was split over the issue of circumcision - Acts of the Apostles 14:26-28 to Acts of the Apostles 15:1-2
Since Paul had been appointed to take the lead in preaching to the gentile nations, Paul could have thought himself an expert in dealing with non-Jews.
Paul could have felt qualified to resolve the problem - Galatians 2:8-9
When Paul's efforts did not clear up the problem, the with both humility and modesty Paul went along with the arrangements of the elders in Jerusalem.
Paul discussed and co-operated fully as those elders listened to the matter. Paul acted fully as the elders reached a decision, and they assigned Paul to be one of their messengers.
See - Acts of the Apostles 15:22-24; Acts of the Apostles 15:25-27; Acts of the Apostles 15:28-30; Acts of the Apostles 15:31
Doesn't Paul's action and behavior there show that Paul took the lead in showing honor to his fellow servants in Christ our Lord ?________- Romans 12:10

I don't think you got the point of the post to which you are replying, my friend.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

I don't think you got the point of the post to which you are replying, my friend.

Didn't you say that Paul isn't your favorite apostle ? ______ That is what I was addressing as to why Paul should or shouldn't be a favorite.