Can good people go to hell?

[URAVIP2ME]

Are you saying to avoid Hell one must be a Christian?

Except for those of Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6, everyone who dies is considered as being in biblical hell ( that included the dead Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10 )
We can't avoid biblical hell because the Bible's hell is simply mankind grave for the dead until resurrected out of hell/grave - Revelation 1:18

The figurative sheep and goats of Matthew 25:31-33 are Not avoiding hell, but the goats will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; whereas those counted by Jesus as being just or righteous - Matthew 25:37 - will be counted as worthy to continue living on Earth starting with Day One when Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Than why were you so happy to be "healed" in this life? Yay God if I live, yay God if I die? What's the point then?
Also, can you tell me why God heals 98% of people who he gives prostate cancer to, less than 2% of people He gives gall bladder cancer, and has never once seen fit to heal a single amputee?
Doesn't strike you as odd that God heals people at alarmingly different rates, based on what disease they have? And that the rate of God's healing lines up exactly with the scientific survival rates? Weird huh? It's almost like God isn't really doing anything.

Please keep in mind God does Not interfere or involve Himself into mankind's affairs because Adam chose independence from God for us by breaking God's Law.
Also, please remember Satan challenges all of us - Job 2:4-5 - to touch our ' flesh ' ( loose our physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
Haven't you noticed that those so-called faith healers never work in hospitals ?
Probably for the same reason that we do Not see psychics winning the lotteries !

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Internal medicine miracles are never convincing. You never know what goes inside our bodies or how good/bad the doctors diagnosed. They are imperfect humans, after all.
One of my friends lost an arm at work. He is a devout Christian praying all the time to get his arm back. But it does not seem to work, for some reason. I told him he is losing his time, obviously, but he mentions to me all the time that Scriptures say that if you have at least of grain of faith, you can achieve everything, whatever that means.
Here is your real opportunity to baffle everyone. Can you pray so that his arm grows back?
Ciao
- viole

Have you ever even seen a so-called faith healer restore baldness !_______
Now is Not the time for miraculous healings.
Remember: Jesus did Not heal everyone. ( Neither did Paul )
Jesus was giving us a small sample of his healings.
Jesus showed us a preview, or coming attraction, of what he will be doing on a grand-global scale during his coming 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth.
At that millennium-long day is when earth's nations will be healed - Revelation 22:2
Mankind will see the return of the Genesis ' tree of life ' for mankind on Earth resulting in healthy physical blessings at that time for the people of Earth.

 

[Demonslayer]

Please keep in mind God does Not interfere or involve Himself into mankind's affairs because Adam chose independence from God for us by breaking God's Law.

So are you refuting the claims of Rapture Era that God sometimes heals cancer?

 

[serp777]

Please keep in mind God does Not interfere or involve Himself into mankind's affairs because Adam chose independence from God for us by breaking God's Law.
Also, please remember Satan challenges all of us - Job 2:4-5 - to touch our ' flesh ' ( loose our physical health ) and we would Not serve God.
Haven't you noticed that those so-called faith healers never work in hospitals ?
Probably for the same reason that we do Not see psychics winning the lotteries !

That's ridiculous. Why should someone else's choice tens of thousands of years ago also determine my choice? Are you saying God is illogical, unfair, and petty?

 

[roger1440]

Except for those of Matthew 12:32 and Hebrews 6:4-6, everyone who dies is considered as being in biblical hell ( that included the dead Jesus - Acts of the Apostles 2:27; Psalms 16:10 )
We can't avoid biblical hell because the Bible's hell is simply mankind grave for the dead until resurrected out of hell/grave - Revelation 1:18

The figurative sheep and goats of Matthew 25:31-33 are Not avoiding hell, but the goats will be destroyed forever - Psalms 92:7; whereas those counted by Jesus as being just or righteous - Matthew 25:37 - will be counted as worthy to continue living on Earth starting with Day One when Jesus' 1,000-year governmental rulership over Earth begins.

Can you give me a simple yes or no?

 

[URAVIP2ME]

So are you refuting the claims of Rapture Era that God sometimes heals cancer?

Scripture tells us that for now it is just time and unforeseen events befalling all of us according to Ecclesiastes 9:11 B

God can give us peace that can excel our thoughts giving us comfort to guard our hearts to deal with problems. - 2 Corinthians 1:2-4; Philippians 4:7

 

[URAVIP2ME]

That's ridiculous. Why should someone else's choice tens of thousands of years ago also determine my choice? Are you saying God is illogical, unfair, and petty?

Adam was created with human perfection. Before having children Adam lost his perfectly healthy human perfection, so father Adam passed down to us his human imperfection.
We don't have to make the wrong choice or wrong decision as Adam chose to break God's Law.
We, like Adam, can make our own free-will choices to obey or disobey God.
We choose whether something is done or purpose, deliberately,willfully or Not. We choose to repent or Not - 2 Peter 3:9
If God was illogical, unfair and petty then God would Not have sent the pre-human heavenly Jesus to Earth to be a ransom for us - Matthew 20:28
Jesus proved to be the promised ' seed ' ( Messiah ) of Genesis 3:15 who will undo all the harm and damage that father Adam brought upon us.
Jesus will fulfill God's promise to father Abraham that ALL families and ALL nations of Earth will be blessed - Genesis 12:3; Genesis 22:18
Blessed with the benefit of healing for earth's nations through Christ Jesus - Revelation 22:2

 

[URAVIP2ME]

Can you give me a simple yes or no?

No. No one can avoid ' biblical hell ' ( aka the grave ). At death we go to the temporary grave (biblical hell) whether a follower of Christ or Not. In biblical hell the dead sleep in death.

 

[uncung]

My point, precisely. The cake COULD have been made by someone else, and is therefore not proof that I exist to make it.
Since there are other theories out there regarding the appearance (evolution?) of man, our existence cannot be PROOF that God exists.

Why do I get the feeling that I'm pounding on an empty drum?

At least the bake was made by someone.
In case of evolution it can be considered as the natural creation process. God created the living being along with their nature.

 

[Torah4Yah]

So me and my friend were talking about religions. And he said asked me do I respect the 10 commandments and listed them. I answered yes to all. I do respect them. Then, he asked do I help other people. I answered Yes. He asked me what do I do. I said: Today I helped my brother with picking up 30 min of his trash so when he come home he doesn't have to. I also cleaned my mom's room as a surprise. altogether about 2 h. I then asked "What is hell?". He explained it and I asked who goes to hell. He said: Non-Christians. So I respect the commandmetns and am good to people (In my opinion) and I do think Jesus did miracles, but he is not the ONLY way to god, and I would go to hell. Is that correct? Just wandering, I don't really belive in hell [/

First thing that you need to know is that YHWH (Yahowah) is not religious, political, patriotic. YHWH taught know what he said and trust in it. Christianity teaches faith and grace. So Christianity is not teaching what God taught. Christians teach get saved and go to heaven. So someone gets saved and knows nothing about God and does nothing he asked and doesn't even know what he asked and they think they are going to heaven?

Second thing to know
Christianity says you believe and go up don't relieve and go down. That is not what God taught. He taught believe and attend the Moed Miqra. Know what he said and trust in it.

Three things can happen
1 be saved
2 cease to exist
3 eternal incarceration with satan

how they work #1
Attend Moed Miqra

#2
Chose no side and don't become an enemy YHWH

#3
Become an enemy of God (knowingly) teach against what God taught and block people from knowing God by doing so and you get eternal separation from God incarceration with satan.

 

[James Lyon]

They are the same only in the way that everything in the universe is related, or that the same human brain can switch between approaches to a problem. Remember the old tail of the blind men and the elephant? Eventually their stories all add up to the reality of that elephant...and as long as everybody involved understands that THEIR approach isn't the only one, or answers questions other approaches are better able to answer, then it's all good.

It's only when the non-believers think that philosophy and/or religion is useless, or when believers think that their philosophies answer scientific questions, that we get into trouble. Eventually everything will come together, but.......

not yet.

Yes I could not have said it better

 

[JoStories]

But I can prove heaven is for real. Oppositely you can't disprove it.

Prove then. Prove it so that NO ONE would argue that you are full of narcissistic balderdash and we will all stand and watch you receive the nobel prize. I will not be holding my breath.

 

[JoStories]

First, to answer your question YES! I am willing to stake my eternal destiny on my faith in Jesus Christ for my eternal salvation! If everything that Jesus said is a bunch of nonsense, if the Bible is a lie then what is my fate? If you are wrong and everything that Jesus said is true, and the Bible is the true word of God, what is your fate? When I asked are you willing to take that chance, if you fully believe in whatever it is you place your trust, when you die, you will find out if you made the right choice. But whatever that choice was at the time of your death, if you chose the wrong belief system, you can't say wait! I change my mind now! Nope, you are going to suffer the consequences for ever and ever and ever and ever, it will never end! All I'm saying, is, are you absolutely sure with no doubt at all that what you believe is true? Only you can answer that question. God has done his part. He has told us what our condition is through sin and where that will lead us, He has paid the penalty of that sin for us through Jesus' death, and He is giving us the choice to accept his free gift of eternal life in heaven. It's pretty simple. Do you accept or not? That's the bottom line.

No, I don't accept it as there is no proof that that is true and furthermore, having studied the Bible and all faiths for that matter, in a scholarly manner to achieve my PhD there are too many mistakes and too much controversy about the Bible to hold it as complete truth. The simple translation issues are just one of many issues that arise with regard to the Bible. Whether it be Aramaic, Hebrew or Koine Greek, all three are suspect when translated to English. If you had studied this as I have, you too, would have serious issues with the veracity of the Bible.

 

[JoStories]

How do you know that sin is not real, and believing otherwise is not leading you astray?

Finding out that breaking the laws of God (sinning) results in dire consequences is one way to learn the truth. Isn't it better to have faith in a higher power, and trust in the commandments and covenants God has asked us to follow?

No, it is not. Those alleged 'sins' you (general you) taut on about are something that was germane to the Jews in a time period long ago. Do you eat shellfish or pork? Do you wear mixed fibers? And spare me the old adage about how Christ changed the laws as you still all hold to the one about gays. The entire Bible was written by men with an agenda. In particular, Paulian dogma is so loaded with misogynistic and homophobic rhetoric that it boggles the mind that one can think the man actually knew Christ. Now, if one were to just speak about what Jesus taught, it might be different as the Sermon of the Mount is quite lovely. But then you add all the crap that Paul wrote and you have destroyed the beauty of it. Not to mention that there are so many mistakes and contradictions. Sin is such a misused concept that it has lost any truth it may have had ever.

 

[JoStories]

The Scriptures mentioning the wicked "weeds" being thrown into a fiery furnace does not imply everlasting torture, but rather destruction. (Matthew 13:50) Matthew 25:46 says; "These [wicked] will depart into everlasting cutting-off, but the righteous ones into everlasting life." Thus the wicked are cut off in death. 2 Peter 2:4 discusses God's punishment of the disobedient angels who sinned, and does not speak of everlasting torture in hellfire.

How is that any different Rusra02? Truly, the bottom line is that some will get to go to this alleged 'heaven' and some will get to rot. How is that a tenable choice? This faith condemns every Hindu, Buddhist, Shinto, Jew, etc, to some other place and its unpalatable. Explain how that is seen as a draw to your faith and fair to the millions of people who believe in God, but just have a different view of who and/or what God is?

 

[JoStories]

Jesus 'slept?" How do you explain 1 Peter 3:18-20? That's pretty amazing sleepwalking...not only for Him, but for those to whom He preached.




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Paulian dogma has very little to do with Christ. It does if and only if one believes that Paul actually met Christ, for which there is zero actual evidence. This books were written in a time that required the clergy to try to keep the masses in check and also to try to subvert the Paganism that had existed for ages before this 'new faith' popped up.

 

[JoStories]

If you don't believe in hell or any type of afterlife then yeah do whatever you want, live life however you want, make the most of it.
However, you also have to consider that sometimes our lack of belief doesn't correlate with reality. So if hell is real and if you believe the gospel story then anyone who hasn't restored their relationship with God is going to hell.

Can you prove that? Until the day that you can, and you are subjecting every other faith on the planet to this hell, I will continue to walk my Buddhist path. Namaste.

 

[uncung]

Prove then. Prove it so that NO ONE would argue that you are full of narcissistic balderdash and we will all stand and watch you receive the nobel prize. I will not be holding my breath.

My religion states heaven is real. so now, disprove it.

 

[uncung]

Can you prove that? Until the day that you can, and you are subjecting every other faith on the planet to this hell, I will continue to walk my Buddhist path. Namaste.

why do you join Buddhism? what if you don't follow it? what could be the risk?