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Yeah why notEven you? Wow.
That means that it is entirely possible that Christianity is based on logic, isn't?
Would you agree?
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Only G-d could do and can done so.
Right? Please
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How has God created nothing from something?Only G-d could do and can done so.
Right? Please
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For a thumbnail description of the scientific view on how universes are created....
The Origin of the Universe--Stephen Hawking
Since both space and time came into existence at the big bang, "where did it come from" and "what happened before" are nonsense questions, in the same way as "what's south of the south pole".
How has God created nothing from something?
The notion of time coming into existence presupposes a point before it came into existence.
There is nothing nonsensical about this if we conclude that all this requires is another dimension of time.
By the same token, a flat 2-d map has a point south of the south pole when we add an extra dimension of space.
So if by 'south' we mean drawing a line downwards from the equator, we end up somewhere near the constellation of the southern cross.
But of course it is easier to just be dogmatic in the typical pseudo-scientific manner of the relativists
and their alice-in-wonderland wishy-washy space-time non-geometry;
and just label any logical disagreement as 'nonsense'; thereby establishing hegemony from belligerent ad-hominem egotism
based on institutional ivory-tower sophistry.
Yes you may have created something but it didn't come from "nothing".People can certainly create something from nothing.
Before it was written it did not exist. Now it does!
Just because I used a medium, does not mean that a medium is necessary.
The old words are still in existence, but the new idea/philosophy is still something new.
So it still WAS nothing, and now it IS something.
That is therefore: something from nothing.
On a globe, where one cannot just arbitrarily add extra dimensions,
If you believe Hawking's model to be "pseudo-science", I suggest you write up your arguments and submit them to a relevant scientific journal.
Yes you may have created something but it didn't come from "nothing".
Thought requires energy as does movement and writing. Not only have you used and transformed a small amount of energy you have also slightly increased the entropy of the Universe.
A map has 2 dimensions.
A globe has 3 dimensions
A geographic entity like the surface of the earth is entirely different to a geometrical dimension.
If we take 'South' to mean a geometrical dimension then it is entirely correct to say that the southern cross is south of the south pole.
Seeing as though math is all about geometry,
to decide that 'South' is only meaningful as a geographic feature on the globe
would mean your argument only has value in geographical terms,
not in mathematical terms.
Consider the theory that
nothing moving at the velocity of light can escape a black hole
due to gravity being curved space with an escape velocity greater than the velocity of light.
And yet this secular model also suggests that the gravitons of the 'black hole'
are themselves moving at the velocity of light.
So the 'curved space gravity' would prevent the gravitons escaping the black hole
- logically it would give off zero gravity
moreover if time stops at the event horizon, the gravitational wave / graviton could not escape for this reason too.
If you believe Christianity to not be true,
might I suggest that you submit this idea to a relevant Christianity journal?
Dude.....it's an analogy Prof. Hawking used to illustrate a point about it not being possible for there to be something that is "before time" (since "before" is a time-oriented concept).
The existence of the black hole is based on the premise of Einstein's Relativity Theories.Since this is anything but my area of expertise, I looked up your question and found this from Cornell's astrophysics dept.
How do gravitons escape black holes to tell the universe about their gravity? (Advanced) - Curious About Astronomy? Ask an Astronomer
I didn't say a single thing about Christianity.
Yeah why not
They think god created this universe and believe in causality but they made some mistakes about god's attributes .
This is about the Christian before Islam but after Islam a logical person should think about why god has sent new prophet
But it IS possible if there is another dimension of time.
I am not saying that such exists, just that it is possible.
The existence of the black hole is based on the premise of Einstein's Relativity Theories.
These forbid anything moving faster than light, and specifically claim that the graviton moves AT the velocity of light.
Now the theorists claim that gravity conveniently moves faster than light to escape the black hole.
So the conclusion contradicts the premise.
If the premise is true, then the premise is false.
Thus the premise is false.
There is no reason to believe that black holes exist.
The very notion contradicts itself.
Now people are welcome to speculate, but to claim that a black hole
is in keeping with Einstein's Relativity, when it contradicts it
is pure pseudo-science, sophistry, and blatant dogma.
(I am tempted to use some less complimentary adjectives)
I was using this to make a point.
Journals that owe their existence to a belief they have held for many number of years,
are hardly going to admit that they have been wrong for all this time.
Dealing with bureaucrats one at a time is not a prudent way of spreading knowledge.
Publishing privately online allows me to reach thousands of people.
Of course, most people have not the guts to disagree with dominant dogma,
so my project rests on the notion of a few people being both logical and courageous.
But without such characteristics; knowledge would never advance in any sphere.
Despite all our gadgets, humanity is no better at thinking at this point in time
than it was during the middle-ages. It is much easier to shrug, and go back to
pecking at the grains food in the dust, than to wonder what it must be like to see pure truth
as the only ideal worth pursuing!
The physicists contradict themselves.Ok.
All you've done is restate your original point without addressing the answer given by physicists.
Perhaps you should try thinking for yourself instead of 'taking sides'.I hope you'll understand why I tend to side with the relevant experts rather than someone posting on a religious message board.
Except we know for a fact that rebuttal papers are published all the time, and we know for a fact that theories and hypotheses are overturned. Yes it's hard work and can be difficult at times, but it most certainly can be done, especially when you have the data on your side. So what you posted looks to me more like an excuse. If you truly believe you have a genuine scientific case against the Hawking model, I suggest you write it up and submit it to a relevant journal. And if it turns out they reject it for arbitrary reasons, then you'll have that as proof of your point above and can use it to affect real changes.
Let X = universe before the writing of a poem / philosophy
Let X+Y = universe after the writing of the poem / philosophy
(Y = the poem / philosophy)
Therefore Y was nothing, but now Y is something.
Thus Y is something from nothing.
Just because X existed before Y does not mean X caused Y (Hume!)
The existence of X is correlated to Y coming into existence; not necessarily causing it.
The physicists contradict themselves.
They claim that (for example) the GW150914 experiment is an observation of a pair of orbiting black holes
and that this is in keeping with general relativity. In order for them to orbit one another they would have to give off gravity.
A gravity which is both moving faster than light, (to escape the black hole)
and yet also moving no faster than light in order to satisfy Relativity.
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