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Can humans create something from nothing or nothingness from something?

Jose Fly

Fisker of men
The physicists contradict themselves.

Not that I saw. You raised a point about gravitons and black holes, I posted a link to the answer to that point from physicists, and rather than directly responding to their answer you just reiterated your point.

They claim that (for example) the GW150914 experiment is an observation of a pair of orbiting black holes
and that this is in keeping with general relativity. In order for them to orbit one another they would have to give off gravity.
A gravity which is both moving faster than light, (to escape the black hole)
and yet also moving no faster than light in order to satisfy Relativity.

Again, all you're doing is restating your first point without addressing their answer.

Perhaps you should try thinking for yourself instead of 'taking sides'.

Sure, and part of that involves recognizing how people respond to information. I see physicists giving good faith answers, whereas I see you sticking to your talking point while ignoring the answers from physicists.

That alone is a good indication of who is likely to be more accurate.

As I have proven, the 'experts' perpetuate blatant contradictions in the guise of knowledge.

Um no, you've said they do, but when given an answer you just ignored it, restated your claim, and are now declaring victory. That's not how science works.

My work is ongoing, and the article I am currently working on
- a computational analysis of the gravitational wave experiment -
is just more interesting than dealing with bureaucrats; for now anyway.
One cannot write one's book and publish it at the same time.

Why not distill it into a publishable article?

But it is the very narrative of science that the bureaucracy of the day prefers
not to admit it has been wrong until they are cornered. Its called egotism.

And just how do you expect to "corner" them if they never see your material?

As it is, anyone with an honest and logical mind can see I have disproven 90% of the Relativities.
See here :Quantum Relativity for more details; the core info is not on the forum.

And just how is the physics community supposed to become aware of that?

As for scoffing at the religious forum itself ; you hypocrite!
If its so bad then what are you doing commenting here yourself!

??????????? I didn't say you can't comment. I simply noted the issues with someone claiming to have overturned much of modern physics, but doing so in a religious forum rather than within the community of scientists.

If those journals are so relevant, then they should contact me in person and request
a submission with payment in advance as a sign of their good faith - of which I am
becoming increasingly convinced is lacking.

Um.....yeah. Thanks for your time.
 

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Since both space and time came into existence at the big bang, "where did it come from" and "what happened before" are nonsense questions, in the same way as "what's south of the south pole".
If you believe that the big bang singularity did not arise from nothing because something already existed, fine, I will accept your position, but if you think it arose from nothing, then it is nonsense...
 

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
And just how do you expect to "corner" them if they never see your material?

Logic travels through the medium of human conversation.
The mistake you make is in assuming that my goal is personal ambition in the realm of academic physics; its not.
My goal is simply this:
That truth must prevail.

Why not distill it into a publishable article?

Perhaps you do not understand what publishing is?
My articles are published. Everyone has access to them,
and they regularly reach the top of search engine rankings.

And just how is the physics community supposed to become aware of that?
See above comments.

the issues with someone claiming to have overturned much of modern physics, but doing so in a religious forum

Again, you are mistaking me with an atheist who desires to be a big-nob in a corporupt institution.
I'm not such a beast. My algorithms are in the realm of Theistic Cosmology.
As I have clearly demonstrated, physicists believe in the pseudo-science of Relativity.
The truth of God shall prevail, and my entire thesis has the ultimate goal of proving argument from design of Aquinas.

I appreciate that you may mean well, but I have had my efforts abused by far too many
suit-and-tie tow-faced lying babylon bloodsuckers to think that the physics community is anything more
than a place for egotists and territorial pecking-orders, where the goal of truth is sacrificed
at the idol of personal ambition.

There is nothing to be gained from placing new wine into old skins.
That is an experiment that has failed many times before.
 

Jonathan Ainsley Bain

Logical Positivist
Once light crosses the Event Horizon of a black hole it would indeed have to go faster than light to escape. Same with the gravity beyond the event horizon, that area of space-time is stuck.
But gravity from black holes extends out way past the event horizon. 2 black holes can fall into a stable orbit as long as their E.H. do not cross. Beyond the event horizon the objects do not have to exceed light speed to orbit.
It's no different from Earth orbiting the sun. In 2 dimensions the Sun would just pull us right in, we would make a straight line right into the sun, that would be the shortest path.
But space-time is curved in 3 dimensions and the shortest path ends up being a geodesic.

The orbits could also be slowly degrading as more and more energy falls into the holes.

So the orbiting black holes contradict the limit on the velocity of light from Relativity?
Strange how the official LIGO articles claim that their experiment is in keeping with Relativity.

In Philosophy we call that a contradiction.

And here is another LIGO contradiction:
In order for the black holes to merge their event horizons would have to cross.
But without time, they could not cross.
They would be trapped forever just before the point of contact.

Never mind that just before the old big bang, the singularity at the beginning
would never be able to expand/explode/inflate because all that mass would cause
an 'event horizon' with everything within it frozen for eternity.

Relativity really is just wrong.
It fails for countless dozens of reasons.
The entire secular cosmology paradigm is in tatters.
Science took a wrong turning at Einstein.

If you guys cannot solve the many-body-problem for Newtonian gravity
then it is jumping the gun to even attempt anything remotely like Relativity.
 

joelr

Well-Known Member
So the orbiting black holes contradict the limit on the velocity of light from Relativity?
Strange how the official LIGO articles claim that their experiment is in keeping with Relativity.

No, I didn't say the light DOES go past light speed. It would need to if it was to escape, but no light escapes once it crosses the EH. There is no light speed violation here at all.


Never mind that just before the old big bang, the singularity at the beginning
would never be able to expand/explode/inflate because all that mass would cause
an 'event horizon' with everything within it frozen for eternity.

Relativity really is just wrong.
It fails for countless dozens of reasons.
The entire secular cosmology paradigm is in tatters.
Science took a wrong turning at Einstein.

There is a good theory where gravity acts as a repulsive force at the beginning of the big bang.
Relativity works fine it just can't say what happens before 10^-34 (Planck time). A different theory is needed. Newton's gravity also works fine and is used still by NASA for spaceship flights but it cannot predict certain things that General Relativity can so GR picks up at the limits of Newtonian gravity.

Nothing in your paper about relativity was correct, you would really need to show math in a paper like that which would still not help your ideas but you would probably then see how it all works out.

The singularity concept is just an idea, we don't know if they actually occur in those extreme situations.
 
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