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Can humans truly understand God?

firedragon

Veteran Member
It was an analogy.... You aren't ready for this discussion either I guess.

I used game as an analogy because it's a closed system that is worked on by many hands, and at the end of the day, it's still a unified whole.

Not a valid analogy. This is what I guessed will happen Hammer. Whataboutism.

Tell me. What is the up-time of the most stable computer in the whole wide world? (Since the computer will run the game).
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Not a valid analogy. This is what I guessed will happen Hammer.

Tell me. What is the up-time of the most stable computer in the whole wide world? (Since the computer will run the game).

My analogy is perfectly valid, thank you very much. You just seem to think it's asinine. And it certainly isn't a whataboutism. If you can explain WHY my analogy isn't functional please feel free to demonstrate.

Huh? I have no idea what your talking about here any more (bolded).
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Not a valid analogy. This is what I guessed will happen Hammer. Whataboutism.

Tell me. What is the up-time of the most stable computer in the whole wide world? (Since the computer will run the game).

I mean it's not like I'm calling the universe a simulation, or not real.

Only that something as large, expansive and complex as the universe, akin to something large, complex and expansive like a built game-world, takes teams to Create.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Huh? I have no idea what your talking about here any more (bolded).

No problem. The game is run on a computer isn't it?

Up-time in a computer is a percentage of tested failures deducted from 1. That means if a computer has failed .00001% of the time, the up-time is 99.99999%. That means when you play a game on a computer you can be assured that 99.99999% of the time the computer will not stop working for any reason.

I don't know what is the best in the world. But do you understand this concept at all? Just asking in order to give you a simple explanation.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
No problem. The game is run on a computer isn't it?

Up-time in a computer is a percentage of tested failures deducted from 1. That means if a computer has failed .00001% of the time, the up-time is 99.99999%. That means when you play a game on a computer you can be assured that 99.99999% of the time the computer will not stop working for any reason.

I don't know what is the best in the world. But do you understand this concept at all? Just asking in order to give you a simple explanation.

This makes sense, but as I stated, I'm not calling the universe a computer sim. You're reading too deep into my analogy because I used the word "game", back out a few steps and see the forest for the trees. Please
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
This makes sense, but as I stated, I'm not calling the universe a computer sim. You're reading too deep into my analogy because I used the word "game", back out a few steps and see the forest for the trees. Please

I am not saying you are calling the universe a simulation. Just follow through with this.

If the computers probability is 99.99999999999999, the universe has a probability of one of 10 to the power of 10 to the power of 123. That's not according to me, it's according to Sir Roger Penrose.

Anyway, since you want to speak of the game. No problem. Out of lets say a million people who play the game, how many glitches or down-time has been recorded? What is the percentage of up-time if you wish to call it? Can you make a wild guess at least?
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
Anyway, since you want to speak of the game. No problem. Out of lets say a million people who play the game, how many glitches or down-time has been recorded? What is the percentage of up-time if you wish to call it? Can you make a wild guess at least?

None of this has any bearing on what I said?? (Unless you can connect the dots I don't see) You're still too focused on the word "game" and "computer". Back up further.

The universe and reality is very complex; complexity more often then not takes many hands. (That's the whole crux of my arguments).

Edit: Can you name me a complex piece of machinery, a large complex stone building, or a computer operating system that was built with only One person? How about a movie in the theatre, how many people are named in the credits for contributions to the Total Whole?
 
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firedragon

Veteran Member
None of this has any bearing on what I said?? (Unless you can connect the dots I don't see) You're still too focused on the word "game" and "computer". Back up further.

The universe and reality is very complex; complexity more often then not takes many hands. (That's the whole crux of my arguments).

Edit: Can you name me a complex piece of machinery, a large complex stone building, or a computer operating system that was built with only One person? How about a movie in the theatre, how many people are named in the credits for contributions to the Total Whole?

It just shows humans are not capable like the creator Hammer.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
It just shows humans are not capable like the creator Hammer.

Can you name me a complex piece of machinery, a large complex stone building, or a computer operating system that was built with only One person? How about a movie in the theatre, how many people are named in the credits for contributions to the Total Whole?

Edit: Heck, even a book with a singular author, has a whole background cast of supporting characters. Proof-readers, Editors, Publisher, Artist, Book Binder, Printer Operator.....
 
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The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
It just shows humans are not capable like the creator Hammer.

Wait... Is your argument really that the Universe is perfect, therefore 1 Perfect Creator?

I'll double back and say creation isn't perfect, nor should it be. It's ordered. But it's not perfect.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Creators. I'm not letting that go friend.

Complexity = Many Hands.

No no. Don't let go.

Wait... Is your argument really that the Universe is perfect, therefore 1 Perfect Creator?

I'll double back and say creation isn't perfect, nor should it be. It's ordered. But it's not perfect.

I didnt use the word perfect.

Anyway, I told you that you have to take a methodological approach. You are incapable of doing that or you didnt understand that.

So, open a new thread if you wish to discuss this new topic of "why one".

Cheers.
 

The Hammer

Skald
Premium Member
No no. Don't let go.



I didnt use the word perfect.

Anyway, I told you that you have to take a methodological approach. You are incapable of doing that or you didnt understand that.

So, open a new thread if you wish to discuss this new topic of "why one".

Cheers.


Nope. We were discussing just fine here. As I said before, your only argument against what I've said is "I don't agree with it" and something about computer glitches (which is a non-sequitor, as flaws/perfection isn't part of the argument: Which is Does One God or Many explain complexity (like the universe), better.
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Nope. We were discussing just fine here. As I said before, your only argument against what I've said is "I don't agree with it" and something about computer glitches (which is a non-sequitor, as flaws/perfection isn't part of the argument: Which is Does One God or Many explain complexity (like the universe), better.

See Hammer. You are not God so no one has to follow your God given instructions. ;)

Anyway, do you understand what a methodological approach is?
 

firedragon

Veteran Member
Do you? I followed along with you just fine.

You seem to just disagree because my Step 4 and 5, from your first post, don't match yours.

Hammer. For the moment, try not to get into an argumentative mode and please tell me if you understood what a methodological approach is. Just be open minded at least only about this particular question.

Do you understand what a methodological approach is? If you didn't understand what I mean its fine I will explain what that is. Just respond without thinking this is an argument. This is not an argument.
 

Clara Tea

Well-Known Member
Is it in your understanding possible to understand what a God truly are?

When people discuss or debate about God. Do they actually understand God?

OP starter's
I don't know God (i believe in God)
I don't think my understanding about God is actually the right understanding.

What Gods are? What God is?

If you believe in the trinity, is that plural or singular or both?

Can God understand humans?

Can God grasp the concept that He made flawed humans, then blames humans for being flawed, and tortures their poor souls for eternity if they don't turn out any better than He made them.
 
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