Can Islamic and Christian Theological Concepts of God be reconciled?

[ecco]

Are you saying the belief system of atheists is better than the belief system of Christians and Muslims? We don't claim anyone has to believe ANY prophets. We have no sacred texts to misunderstand.

Atheist teachings clearly meet the needs for today much more readily than religions that are hundreds, even thousands of years old. Even religions that cropped up in the middle of the 19th Century.

If having no religion for you works, I'm not going to change your mind. You go your way and I'll go mine.

I wasn't referring to changing minds, I was referring to your criticisms of religions other than your own. None of those criticisms can be applied to atheism. I then asked you:

Are you saying the belief system of atheists is better than the belief system of Christians and Muslims?
​

Care to respond?

As for what my 19th century religion has to say about the matter:

Religion should unite all hearts and cause wars and disputes to vanish from the face of the earth, give birth to spirituality, and bring life and light to each heart. If religion becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division, it were better to be without it, and to withdraw from such a religion would be a truly religious act.

Who decides when a religion "becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division"?

Your religion is no different than other religions. All religions think their religion is different and better. The very fact that you believe it is somehow different and somehow better, just proves that it is not.

 

[Dawnofhope]

I wasn't referring to changing minds, I was referring to your criticisms of religions other than your own. None of those criticisms can be applied to atheism. I then asked you:

Are you saying the belief system of atheists is better than the belief system of Christians and Muslims?
​

Care to respond?

Who decides when a religion "becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division"?

Your religion is no different than other religions. All religions think their religion is different and better. The very fact that you believe it is somehow different and somehow better, just proves that it is not.

This thread is about comparing theological concepts of God within Islam and Christianity. How is any of this relevant?

 

[ecco]

This thread is about comparing theological concepts of God within Islam and Christianity. How is any of this relevant?

Oh. I thought it was about...

Can Islamic and Christian Theological Concepts of God be reconciled?​

In regards to reconciliation, it is relevant to point out that...

Your religion is no different than other religions. All religions think their religion is different and better. The very fact that you believe it is somehow different and somehow better, just proves that it is not.

Religions that think their religion is different and better have no desire or motivation to "reconcile" with other lesser religions.

 

[Godobeyer]

Hi @Godobeyer ,
Thank you for contributing. It would be useful to have more Muslims on RF. Maybe its not the easiest environment here for you guys? I agree with all you say.

You may be interested in my other thread related to this topic.

https://www.religiousforums.com/thr...hristianity-regarding-concepts-of-god.210197/
Cheers
Adrian

You are welcome .

Yes notice that many Muslims left RF, I guess cos there were much attack on Islam in RF. or because language barrier .(Most of Muslim,English is not their first language)

I just reply on that topic

 

[Dawnofhope]

Oh. I thought it was about...

Can Islamic and Christian Theological Concepts of God be reconciled?​

In regards to reconciliation, it is relevant to point out that...

​

Religions that think their religion is different and better have no desire or motivation to "reconcile" with other lesser religions.

Are you not projecting yourself onto me?

 

[Dawnofhope]

You are welcome .

Yes notice that many Muslims left RF, I guess cos there were much attack on Islam in RF. or because language barrier .(Most of Muslim,English is not their first language)

I just reply on that topic

I understand. There is strong anti-theism on RF. It’s particularly anti-Islam but anti-Christian too. The Christians cope a little better because English is their first language and they live in Western culture where atheism and liberalism has become strong.

 

[abrother]

I believe Baha’u’llah To be the return of Christ. How about you? Who do you think He is or do you think He is yet to come?

https://judahmessiah.com

 

[Dawnofhope]

https://judahmessiah.com

At least half the planet believes Jesus is the Jewish Messiah if you count the Christians and Muslims. I thought you were going to tell me who you believed the Return of Christ to be.

Baha'is believe Baha'u'llah is His return

 

[CG Didymus]

I wasn't referring to changing minds, I was referring to your criticisms of religions other than your own. None of those criticisms can be applied to atheism. I then asked you:

Are you saying the belief system of atheists is better than the belief system of Christians and Muslims?
​

Care to respond?








Who decides when a religion "becomes a cause of dislike, hatred and division"?

Your religion is no different than other religions. All religions think their religion is different and better. The very fact that you believe it is somehow different and somehow better, just proves that it is not.

For me, there's not much difference in saying: There is no God. So therefore Christianity and Islam are manmade religions with laws and moral codes aimed at getting people to behave in a certain way. Compared to saying: There is a God and he told Jesus what to say and he told Muhammad what to say, but people made up doctrines and traditions from those teachings to get people to behave and act a certain way.

But how great were those original teachings? Do we know what they were? Baha'is, I believe, say Islam is very accurate as to what Muhammad taught. But with Jesus, it depends on how much we trust those that wrote the NT. Were they accurate in relating what Jesus actually said? If they were then, is Jesus the only way to get your sins forgiven? Are the things mentioned in the NT really what God sees as being sinful? Without accepting Jesus' sacrifice, will God send people to hell? And, did God create an evil angel called Satan to tempt us into sinning? Are any of these things in question as to be things Jesus taught? If they were... how do you reconcile them with what Baha'is and Muslims teach?

 

[ecco]

No, I'm not projecting anything. I'm addressing the issues raised in your OP.

Can Islamic and Christian Theological Concepts of God be reconciled?

In regards to reconciliation, it is relevant to point out that...

Religions that think their religion is different and better have no desire or motivation to "reconcile" with other lesser religions.

You really haven't responded to my comments. All you've done is deflect with comments like:

If having no religion for you works, I'm not going to change your mind. You go your way and I'll go mine.

-and-

Are you not projecting yourself onto me?

...and some cut and paste quotes.

I was under the impression that when someone posted a topic, they were willing to have a discussion.

 

[ecco]

I understand. There is strong anti-theism on RF. It’s particularly anti-Islam but anti-Christian too. The Christians cope a little better because English is their first language and they live in Western culture where atheism and liberalism has become strong.

The "strong anti-theism" notably also includes anti-bahai. How well are you coping?

 

[ecco]

But how great were those original teachings? Do we know what they were? Baha'is, I believe, say Islam is very accurate as to what Muhammad taught.

Baha'is should not be considered authorities on the wisdom of the Quran. Baha'is want Muslims (and others) to transition to Baha'i. So they are not going to insult their beliefs. It's a far more subtle approach.

But with Jesus, it depends on how much we trust those that wrote the NT. Were they accurate in relating what Jesus actually said?

The earliest writings about Jesus were not created until at least 30 years after his death. The other Gospels much later. Also note that none of the Gospel writers say they were actually in attendance when Jesus allegedly said the words they quote. The Gospel writers never indicate who heard the words nor how they came to know them. Ask yourself how the over 2000 words of the Sermon on the Mount became known to Matthew. Did someone record them in an ancient shorthand?

...how do you reconcile them with what Baha'is and Muslims teach?

What Judaism, Christianity, Islam and Baha'i have in common is that they are all myths. Each taking something from its predecessors.

The other thing they all have in common is that they all say they are the TRUE religion, implying the others are not so true.

 

[Dawnofhope]

No, I'm not projecting anything. I'm addressing the issues raised in your OP.

You really haven't responded to my comments. All you've done is deflect with comments like:

-and-

...and some cut and paste quotes.

I was under the impression that when someone posted a topic, they were willing to have a discussion.

I'm willing to discuss the OP question with people who are respectful and courteous.

Online discussions with those that are deliberately provocative and disrespectful don't go well in my experience.

 

[starsofirelight]

Hello.

But why ignore all of the facts ?

Every religion on the earth has a set or a list of “ SINs “ or Commandments that are to be followed.

Even Satanism has its list of The Nine Commandments Of Satanism.

Satan worshipers believe in abstaining from committing sins and has Nine Commandments, therefore, is Satanism similar to the Bible - And - You can study The Nine Commandments Of Satanism here = https://www.churchofsatan.com/nine-satanic-sins.php

Many religions believe in a main, single, most powerful, top chief deity with other lowercase spirits or lower gods. Even TRINITARIANS believe in three plural PERSONS or three separate distinct beings or persons that are all three a God. Trinitarians also take this pagan concept and believe in A - God The Father,
A - God The Son and also
A God The Holy Spirit. But - The Bible does not anywhere, whatsoever, mention the word “ trinity “ - Nor is God called a “ PERSON “ in the original Greek manuscripts.
The Trinitarian translators have coded, added, modified and changed the original manuscript message in order to INVENT the doctrine of the Trinity. The word is not even once in the Bible, yet Trinitarians are declaring this word “ Trinity “ is holy. The holy number three.
How is Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all alone, unique and separate in this faith regarding the spirit world and other lowercase gods?

Trinity worship also demands that the Son is a lower god and less powerful God that is a separate distinct person a separate individual, than that of the Trinitarian God The Father.

However, this false god called “ The holy trinity “ is nowhere found in the manuscripts.
The Bible does not call " Trinity " holy.

The Bible is " ONENESS " - declaring that The Father ONLY is the ROCK - there is no other ROCK except for the Father only.
Psa_62:2 He only { only א ַ ךְ / 'ak } is my rock.
Psa_62:6 He only { only א ַ ךְ / 'ak } is my rock.
The Father ONLY { only א ַ ךְ / 'ak } is the only shepherd - there is no other shepherd except for the Father.
Ecc 12:11 There is one { One / א ֶ ח ָ ד / 'echâd } shepherd.
The Bible makes it very clear that God is “ 1 “ SINGLE being or deity and “ 1 “ singular, Alone - there is no other God
“ 1 “ singular Creator - Alone
“ 1 “ singular Deity - Alone
“ 1 “ singular Savior - Alone
“ 1 “ singular Magistrate - Alone
And
“ 1 “ singular Husband - Alone.

With the Trinity doctrine / formula that = ADDS to the manuscripts - Trinitarians have two Husbands and two shepherds. Because when Yahoshua was asked as to the whereabouts, location and about the IDENTITY of His Father - Yahoshua looked them right in the eye and clearly stated “ You are looking at The Father - by looking at me.. There is no other way to see the Father, but by looking at the Father. John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and You have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Yahoshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

THIS IS BECAUSE YAHOSHUA IS LITERALLY - THE EXPRESSED IMAGE, OF THE INVISIBLE SPIRIT OF GOD and CONFIDENCE. THE FATHER AND THE SON - ARE NOT EVEN A PERSON in the Bible - AS TRINITARIANS DEMAND. If You read the Original Manuscripts You will find that the Trinitarian translations of the Roman Catholic Church has changed the message of God’ s word. The Roman Catholic Trinitarian Bible is mistranslated and in the translation of - “ Heb 11:1 “ and also “ Heb_1:3 . “
Error - Here, Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If You study you will notice that the word “substance “ is not even the correct / actual word in the original Greek manuscripts.
Another Error - Here, also here in Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his “ person. “ And here If You study you will notice that the word “person “ also is also not even the correct / actual word in Greek manuscripts. Never is God labeled as a “ person “ or “ persons. “ This is simply not in the manuscripts. Please notice what the Trinitarians did here. These two words in these two verses above “substance “ and “person “ are really / actually the same exact “ single “ Greek word G5287 hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is.
hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas- - actually means “ Confidence “ in the Greek manuscripts. Always. - and not “substance “ nor “person “ … … … .. Trinitarians fail to provide a single place in the Bible where this Greek word is used as “substance “ and “person “ other than one single time when they mistranslate the meaning. The actual meaning is - confidence = hupostasis = To set under, to (support), that is, assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident. I now will list the five total times that this word “ Confidence “ hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is used in the manuscripts.
Remember that the Roman Catholic translators changed Heb 1:1 and Heb 1:3 changing the word CONFIDENCE into the two separate and totally unrelated and completely different words of ( “ SUBSTANCE “ and “ PERSON “ ) I believe that Trinitarians attempted to create a new doctrine that tie the word substance and person and how it relates to their trinity teaching. But these words are not in these verses manuscripts whatsoever.
Let’ s take a look at the five total times that this word exists and is present in the New Testament Greek manuscripts.
1.. 2Co 9:4 in this same confident boasting.
2.. 2Co 11:17 in this confidence of boasting.
Here is the correct manuscript translation of Heb 1:3 - as it reads in the original. 3.. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his confidence.
Here the original manuscripts say that Christ is the expressed image of Gods confidence. - Not Person.
The trinity translators changed this word.
4.. Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;
Here also is the Trinitarian mistranslation of Heb 11:1 - as it reads in the original.
5. Heb 11:1 Now faith is the confidence of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Not substance

Here the original manuscripts say that faith is the confidence of things hoped for. – Not substance. REMEMBER that the translators make this change, changing “ Confidence of things hoped for “ into “ SUBSTANCE “ of things hoped for. “ One single time only, in Heb 11:1.
And REMEMBER also that the translators made also this change, changing “ the express image of his “ CONFIDENCE “ into “ the express image of his “ PERSON. “ - in Heb 11:3.
The fact is - NEITHER GOD NOR CHRIST ARE CALLED: PERSON : IN THE MANUSCRIPTS> The Trinitarians , add the word person in Heb 11:3… …

I see nothing in the manuscripts about Trinity or about the Catholic Church or a First, Second and Third person of the Trinity. Many Trinitarians are being deceived into believing that there is a long list of similar commonalities between the Quran and the Bible and they actually believe and teach the false message that Islam and Christianity and Judaism are very much alike.

But I just posted the facts concerning actual faith that Islam teaches regarding the concept of sin. Yet Trinitarians still insist that the condoning of Slavery, Rape, and Adultery in the Quran is similar to the set of sins and commandments in The Bible.
How can Trinitarians make these claims while ignoring these facts ? Trinitarians and Muslims make claims yet I do not see any explanation of these claims. Trinitarians and Muslims just roll by and gloss over and skip through all of the details.

Yes, Islam and Trinitarians have lifted the names of key characters of the Bible and yes, Islam and Trinitarians have lifted the deity of the Bible and used these names and the deity of the Bible to mold and shape and concoct their unbiblical twist.
But the Trinitarian and the Islamic god is nothing like the God of the Bible - And the Islamic god does not have the same message, goals, plans and has not sent the same revelations and end time prophecies. From the beginning to the end the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible and they are not similar.

The thing that I cannot understand is, how Trinitarians can make these claims while yet the very NAME of the God Of The Bible is not the NAME of the God Of Islam. Trinitarians don’t seem to even care – yet the father of the Trinity Doctrine, The Pope kisses His Quran and Prays with Muslims facing the holy temple of Islam’s god while Trinitarians wonder in amazement and bafflement as to why the Hebrew word for God sounds similar to the Arabic word for God.

This is called one step theology.

 

[Dawnofhope]

Hello.

But why ignore all of the facts ?

Every religion on the earth has a set or a list of “ SINs “ or Commandments that are to be followed.

Even Satanism has its list of The Nine Commandments Of Satanism.

Satan worshipers believe in abstaining from committing sins and has Nine Commandments, therefore, is Satanism similar to the Bible - And - You can study The Nine Commandments Of Satanism here = https://www.churchofsatan.com/nine-satanic-sins.php

Many religions believe in a main, single, most powerful, top chief deity with other lowercase spirits or lower gods. Even TRINITARIANS believe in three plural PERSONS or three separate distinct beings or persons that are all three a God. Trinitarians also take this pagan concept and believe in A - God The Father,
A - God The Son and also
A God The Holy Spirit. But - The Bible does not anywhere, whatsoever, mention the word “ trinity “ - Nor is God called a “ PERSON “ in the original Greek manuscripts.
The Trinitarian translators have coded, added, modified and changed the original manuscript message in order to INVENT the doctrine of the Trinity. The word is not even once in the Bible, yet Trinitarians are declaring this word “ Trinity “ is holy. The holy number three.
How is Christianity, Judaism, and Islam all alone, unique and separate in this faith regarding the spirit world and other lowercase gods?

Trinity worship also demands that the Son is a lower god and less powerful God that is a separate distinct person a separate individual, than that of the Trinitarian God The Father.

However, this false god called “ The holy trinity “ is nowhere found in the manuscripts.
The Bible does not call " Trinity " holy.

The Bible is " ONENESS " - declaring that The Father ONLY is the ROCK - there is no other ROCK except for the Father only.
Psa_62:2 He only { only א ַ ךְ / 'ak } is my rock.
Psa_62:6 He only { only א ַ ךְ / 'ak } is my rock.
The Father ONLY { only א ַ ךְ / 'ak } is the only shepherd - there is no other shepherd except for the Father.
Ecc 12:11 There is one { One / א ֶ ח ָ ד / 'echâd } shepherd.
The Bible makes it very clear that God is “ 1 “ SINGLE being or deity and “ 1 “ singular, Alone - there is no other God
“ 1 “ singular Creator - Alone
“ 1 “ singular Deity - Alone
“ 1 “ singular Savior - Alone
“ 1 “ singular Magistrate - Alone
And
“ 1 “ singular Husband - Alone.

With the Trinity doctrine / formula that = ADDS to the manuscripts - Trinitarians have two Husbands and two shepherds. Because when Yahoshua was asked as to the whereabouts, location and about the IDENTITY of His Father - Yahoshua looked them right in the eye and clearly stated “ You are looking at The Father - by looking at me.. There is no other way to see the Father, but by looking at the Father. John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and You have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Yahoshua saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

THIS IS BECAUSE YAHOSHUA IS LITERALLY - THE EXPRESSED IMAGE, OF THE INVISIBLE SPIRIT OF GOD’S CONFIDENCE. THE FATHER AND THE SON - ARE NOT EVEN A PERSON in the Bible - AS TRINITARIANS DEMAND. If You read the Original Manuscripts You will find that the Trinitarian translations of the Roman Catholic Church has changed the message of God’ s word. The Roman Catholic Trinitarian Bible is mistranslated and in the translation of - “ Heb 11:1 “ and also “ Heb_1:3 . “
Error - Here, Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
If You study you will notice that the word “substance “ is not even the correct / actual word in the original Greek manuscripts.
Another Error - Here, also here in Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his “ person. “ And here If You study you will notice that the word “person “ also is also not even the correct / actual word in Greek manuscripts. Never is God labeled as a “ person “ or “ persons. “ This is simply not in the manuscripts. Please notice what the Trinitarians did here. These two words in these two verses above “substance “ and “person “ are really / actually the same exact “ single “ Greek word G5287 hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is.
hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas- - actually means “ Confidence “ in the Greek manuscripts. Always. - and not “substance “ nor “person “ … … … .. Trinitarians fail to provide a single place in the Bible where this Greek word is used as “substance “ and “person “ other than one single time when they mistranslate the meaning. The actual meaning is - confidence = hupostasis = To set under, to (support), that is, assurance (objectively or subjectively): - confidence, confident. I now will list the five total times that this word “ Confidence “ hupostasis / hoop-os'-tas-is.
Remember that the Roman Catholic translators changed Heb 1:1 and Heb 1:3 changing the word CONFIDENCE into the two separate and totally unrelated and completely different words of ( “ SUBSTANCE “ and “ PERSON “ ) I believe that Trinitarians attempted to create a new doctrine that tie the word substance and person and how it relates to their trinity teaching. But these words are not in these verses manuscripts whatsoever.
Let’ s take a look at the five total times that this word exists and is present in the New Testament Greek manuscripts.
1.. 2Co 9:4 in this same confident boasting.
2.. 2Co 11:17 in this confidence of boasting.
Here is the correct manuscript translation of Heb 1:3 - as it reads in the original. 3.. Heb 1:3 Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his confidence.
Here the original manuscripts say that Christ is the expressed image of Gods confidence. - Not Person.
The trinity translators changed this word.
4.. Heb 3:14 For we are made partakers of Christ if we hold the beginning of our confidence steadfast unto the end;
Here also is the Trinitarian mistranslation of Heb 11:1 - as it reads in the original.
5. Heb 11:1 Now faith is the confidence of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. - Not substance

Here the original manuscripts say that faith is the confidence of things hoped for. – Not substance. REMEMBER that the translators make this change, changing “ Confidence of things hoped for “ into “ SUBSTANCE “ of things hoped for. “ One single time only, in Heb 11:1.
And REMEMBER also that the translators made also this change, changing “ the express image of his “ CONFIDENCE “ into “ the express image of his “ PERSON. “ - in Heb 11:3.
The fact is - NEITHER GOD NOR CHRIST ARE CALLED: PERSON : IN THE MANUSCRIPTS> The Trinitarians , add the word person in Heb 11:3… …

I see nothing in the manuscripts about Trinity or about the Catholic Church or a First, Second and Third person of the Trinity. Many Trinitarians are being deceived into believing that there is a long list of similar commonalities between the Quran and the Bible and they actually believe and teach the false message that Islam and Christianity and Judaism are very much alike.

But I just posted the facts concerning actual faith that Islam teaches regarding the concept of sin. Yet Trinitarians still insist that the condoning of Slavery, Rape, and Adultery in the Quran is similar to the set of sins and commandments in The Bible.
How can Trinitarians make these claims while ignoring these facts ? Trinitarians and Muslims make claims yet I do not see any explanation of these claims. Trinitarians and Muslims just roll by and gloss over and skip through all of the details.

Yes, Islam and Trinitarians have lifted the names of key characters of the Bible and yes, Islam and Trinitarians have lifted the deity of the Bible and used these names and the deity of the Bible to mold and shape and concoct their unbiblical twist.
But the Trinitarian and the Islamic god is nothing like the God of the Bible - And the Islamic god does not have the same message, goals, plans and has not sent the same revelations and end time prophecies. From the beginning to the end the god of Islam is not the God of the Bible and they are not similar.

The thing that I cannot understand is, how Trinitarians can make these claims while yet the very NAME of the God Of The Bible is not the NAME of the God Of Islam. Trinitarians don’t seem to even care – yet the father of the Trinity Doctrine, The Pope kisses His Quran and Prays with Muslims facing the holy temple of Islam’s god while Trinitarians wonder in amazement and bafflement as to why the Hebrew word for God sounds similar to the Arabic word for God.

This is called one step theology.

Most Christians believe in the trinity. Two exceptions within Christianity are the Jehovah witnesses and Unitarians.

Islam specifically rejects the trinity as it contradicts monotheism. Then again you obviously don't like Islam.

Maybe you should consider becoming a JW or a Unitarian.

 

[abrother]

At least half the planet believes Jesus is the Jewish Messiah if you count the Christians and Muslims. I thought you were going to tell me who you believed the Return of Christ to be.

Baha'is believe Baha'u'llah is His return

The world is filled with their expectations and preconceptions of the Messiah. Who can recognize him when he is here, and learn what they need?

Two thousand years ago, people had a simpler understanding of life than we have today. Accordingly, the Messiah provided knowledge to the people of that time in ways they could relate to, such as stories and parables. In this scientific age we are ready to receive a more enlightened understanding than before; and as we would expect for our present era, the Messiah uses our modern technology to spread knowledge we need around the world.

Who has eyes to see the Messiah as he is, rather than through what they expect him to be, someone who can be Christ, Messiah, HaMoshicah and Mahdi, one sent by the Father God Almighty for all the peoples of the Earth?

 

[starsofirelight]

Thanks for the advice.

 

[Dawnofhope]

The world is filled with their expectations and preconceptions of the Messiah. Who can recognize him when he is here, and learn what they need?

Two thousand years ago, people had a simpler understanding of life than we have today. Accordingly, the Messiah provided knowledge to the people of that time in ways they could relate to, such as stories and parables. In this scientific age we are ready to receive a more enlightened understanding than before; and as we would expect for our present era, the Messiah uses our modern technology to spread knowledge we need around the world.

Who has eyes to see the Messiah as he is, rather than through what they expect him to be, someone who can be Christ, Messiah, HaMoshicah and Mahdi, one sent by the Father God Almighty for all the peoples of the Earth?

I suppose its hard for us to see each others Messiahs lol. Otherwise I agree with most of what you say.

 

[abrother]

I suppose its hard for us to see each others Messiahs lol. Otherwise I agree with most of what you say.

My brother, I shared that site with you as a friend. Of course, it is up to you to decide its truth and make use of it, or not. As your friend may I suggest to at least read through the information provided. Future events can make that knowledge very important to understand. If, and when, you came to accept it, I know you would compassionately make use of it to help your brothers and sisters of the world.

 

[ecco]

I'm willing to discuss the OP question with people who are respectful and courteous.

Online discussions with those that are deliberately provocative and disrespectful don't go well in my experience.

So you consider someone who challenges your views is deliberately provocative, disrespectful and discourteous.

OK