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Can Jewish law be fulfilled?
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Is a "vitriolic attitude" worse than "intellectual bankruptcy?"
Is a charge of "severe reading problems" slanderous?
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angellous_evangellous
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Well, they are all irritating when you practice them.
Ok, but the bible warns us to watch out for the fleshly desires. We are still slaves to that until the moment Christ hands the Kingdom back to Jehovah God at the end of Satans trial and ultimate destruction along with all who do not want to follow God wholesoulled.
We still sin, If we didnt sin, we would not die as Sin=Death. We die because we sin. That is where our imperfection lies. The fact that we sin. The bible even tells us at
Romans 6:23
For the wages sin pays is death, but the gift God gives is everlasting life by Christ Jesus our Lordthis second part is yet to be fulfilled. But will be at a later date in the not too distant future.
pfft lol. That is very funny but it would be difficult wouldnt it?
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angellous_evangellous
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It's not difficult to avoid these vices: even the slightest amount of honesty and thought can keep someone on the high road.
free spirit
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A slave has to obey, we have been freed from slavery, so we can say no to our fleshly desires, that is what repentance is all about.
2 Corinthians 5:17,
"Therefore if any man is in christ he is a new creature; the old thing passed away; behold. new things have come."
2 John 5:11-12, "And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
1 John 3:6-8, "No one who abides in Him sins, no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."
What you said above does not mach scriptures.
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angellous_evangellous
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angellous_evangellous
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It can't mean what you "think" it means because you refuse to think.
Paul does not mean that we should be stupid, thoughtless, or dumb.
And I'm not sure that you would consider all the contributors to the NT to be "true Biblical scholars." Have you asked them all if they believe that the bible is "the Word of God written," which is apparently all one needs to be a scholar. Do you even know who these people are?
And by the way - I was only asking for honesty - which opens up the heart and mind to learn. One does not have to be an intellectual to be intellectually honest. And you've failed at this on every turn.
Yeah, it's that ole "intellectual bankruptcy" of which you like to accuse evangelicals, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2331022-post1095.html
Absolutely true statement. . .with absolutely no relevance or bearing on the issue of intellectual ability as the measure of one's correct understanding the Word of God written.
I have no reason not to do so.
Well, suffice it to say it is a common phrase of the Reformers, the Westminster Confession and the eminent evangelical and true Biblical scholar, Dr. Packer. . .
all, of course, to whom you are superior.
Yep.
Physician, heal thyself. . .
And just where is your honesty. . .in trying to change the issue of the purple type, into your red herring of the blue and red type, in order to cover over
and deny your gospel-eradicating heresy regarding Paul, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2331194-post1112.html?
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angellous_evangellous
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Regarding contributors to the NIV being Biblical scholars, and my having no reason to think otherwise. . .is this link supposed to be my reason for thinking otherwise?
And if so, how?
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angellous_evangellous
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Well, what you do is look at the denomination of a scholar, look up the webpage of the denomination, and look at their creed or "what we believe."
I picked three at random and none of them affirm that the Bible is the Word of God written (for good reason, too).
Church of the Nazarene - Church of the Nazarene - Beliefs
Reformed Episcopal
The Reformed Episcopal Church
A Statement of Anglican Belief and Practice
"Scripture: Holy Scripture as found in both the Old and New Testaments is the word of God written and "containeth all things necessary to salvation."[9] Scripture given by God is, therefore, supreme in its authority to declare Gods will. Similarly, the Church may not teach anything as necessary for salvation that cannot be proven out of Scripture; nor has the Church any authority to reject or alter any of Scriptures teaching on faith or morality. Likewise, no revelation in Scripture concerning God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost or his plan for human redemption is susceptible to change by any human agency. There are, however, rites and ceremonies that are in themselves indifferent, which need not require biblical sanction but which should not contradict the clear meaning of Scripture."
United Methodist
The Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church V-VIII
"Article VOf the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation
The Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament of whose authority was never any doubt in the church. The names of the canonical books are:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, The First Book of Samuel, The Second Book of Samuel, The First Book of Kings, The Second Book of Kings, The First Book of Chronicles, The Second Book of Chronicles, The Book of Ezra, The Book of Nehemiah, The Book of Esther, The Book of Job, The Psalms, The Proverbs, Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, Cantica or Songs of Solomon, Four Prophets the Greater, Twelve Prophets the Less.
All the books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive and account canonical."
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angellous_evangellous
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You really have no reason to believe that scholars or denominations would believe that "the Bible is the Word of God written."
People actually think about what they put in these things, you know.
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angellous_evangellous
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Smoky,
YOU said that a true biblical scholar must believe that "the Bible is the Word of God written" and go on about the immanence of the NIV translators... and a minority of them believe it.
YOU said that a true biblical scholar must believe that "the Bible is the Word of God written" and go on about the immanence of the NIV translators... and a minority of them believe it.
Oh, that is rich! . .no reason? . .really? . .check out: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2333228-post1156.html
You're over-playing your hand again. . .
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angellous_evangellous
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The really funny thing is that the NIV is pandered as an evangelical translation when it consistently deviates from the normative text and translation methodology.
Smoky - to my surprise - has swallowed that hook, line, and sinker.
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angellous_evangellous
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Absolutely not!
The confessions of the churches are taken very seriously and the words are chosen very carefully to best reflect the church's theology and practice.
They all know the cliche "the word of God written" and most churches - even the conservative ones - choose not to word their statement in this way. And for good reason, of course.
If a particular scholar doesn't like the confession, and all of them know it, they are typically kicked out of their teaching post.... or hopefully they are able to leave.