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Can Jewish law be fulfilled?

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angellous_evangellous

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astarath said:
I am not seeing the fruits of the spirit in you smokydot. Much anger and hatred, that is the way of the dark side.

Can I get a YODA somebody?
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I, however, am a delightful angel with a stunning intellect and superior judgment. :takeabow:

:foryou:
 
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smokydot

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angellous_evangellous said:
Well, what you do is look at the denomination of a scholar, look up the webpage of the denomination, and look at their creed or "what we believe."
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The Reformers, the source of orthodox Reformed Christianity, are not enough evidence for you? . .the Westminster Confession isn't enough evidence for you?
I picked three at random
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Uh huh. . .
and none of them affirm that the Bible is the word of God written (for good reason, too).
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Do they deny it? . .Confessions of faith likewise deny any accepted doctrine believed to be heresy. . .not to mention, absence of evidence in their formal creed is not
evidence of absence in belief that Scripture is the word of God written. . .and are you sure about none of them affirming that Scripture is the word of God written?
Church of the Nazarene - Church of the Nazarene - Beliefs
Reformed Episcopal -- The Reformed Episcopal Church
A Statement of Anglican Belief and Practice
"Scripture: Holy Scripture as found in both the Old and New Testaments is the word of God wrtten and "containeth all things necessary to salvation."[9] Scripture given by God is, therefore, supreme in its authority to declare God’s will. Similarly, the Church may not teach anything as necessary for salvation that cannot be proven out of Scripture; nor has the Church any authority to reject or alter any of Scripture’s teaching on faith or morality. Likewise, no revelation in Scripture concerning God the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost or his plan for human redemption is susceptible to change by any human agency. There are, however, rites and ceremonies that are in themselves indifferent, which need not require biblical sanction but which should not contradict the clear meaning of Scripture."
United Methodist -- The Articles of Religion of the Methodist Church V-VIII
"Article V—Of the Sufficiency of the Holy Scriptures for Salvation
The Holy Scripture containeth all things necessary to salvation; so that whatsoever is not read therein, nor may be proved thereby, is not to be required of any man that it should be believed as an article of faith, or be thought requisite or necessary to salvation. In the name of the Holy Scripture we do understand those canonical books of the Old and New Testament of whose authority was never any doubt in the church. The names of the canonical books are:
Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua, Judges, Ruth, The First Book of Samuel, The Second Book of Samuel, The First Book of Kings, The Second Book of Kings, The First Book of Chronicles, The Second Book of Chronicles, The Book of Ezra, The Book of Nehemiah, The Book of Esther, The Book of Job, The Psalms, The Proverbs, Ecclesiastes or the Preacher, Cantica or Songs of Solomon, Four Prophets the Greater, Twelve Prophets the Less.
All the books of the New Testament, as they are commonly received, we do receive and account canonical."
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So, what are you saying? . .what is your point regarding Scripture as the word of God written? . .that it's a matter of vote?

This is just another red herring, concerning your heresy regarding Paul (link following), to change the issue from your heresy regarding Paul to my "heresy"
that Scripture is the word of God written.​


And, pray tell, what would be the "for good reason, too" that none of the demoninations, which you picked at random, affirm that Scripture is the word of God written? . .
I would like to know what that would be. . .is the "good reason" because it is heresy, as you assert, and as is shown to be contrary to the NT​

@ point 3) here? ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2299244-post85.html

You are saying (above link) that the Reformers, the authors of the Westminster Confession and the Anglican Church are heretics.
My reference to Scripture as the Word of God written is orthodox Reformed Christian theology, which takes it from the words of Jesus himself that Scripture is the word of God.​

And your bizarre "scholarship" of the gospel-eradicating, heretical theology of Paul (first link above) is what is indefensible here, and this red herring, regarding Scripture not being the word of God written, is your defense.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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smokydot said:
He bows to the "christ' of his latter day, heretical, sophomoric novel speculations. . .he does not bow to the Christ of the NT.
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Smoky,

When you do stuff like this, you're only embarrassing yourself. Your posts are full of vitriolic insults and slander.

It's like you're masturbating in public. It may feel good but you look like a fool.
 
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smokydot

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angellous_evangellous said:
Well pardon me, it's been a decade since I've read the preface to the NIV.
I stand corrected.
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Then why did you say it was only a minority that believed Scripture is the word of God written, if you really didn't know how many, that it was all of them? . .
you dishonestly supported your claim with false evidence.

So you were just making stuff up!

And you falsely claimed that none of the creeds you randomly checked contained it, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2333467-post1184.html.

Yet you accuse me of all kinds of dishonesty which you cannot show, for example here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2315325-post488.html,
and make the phony claim that you cannot show even one because I materially alter my posts. . .
when, in reality, it is you who dishonestly supports their false claims with false evidence.

And so it is. . .that in addition to the

1) Reformers,
2) authors of the Westminster Confession,
3) Anglican Church, and
4) minority of NIV translators. . .we now have to add
5) all NIV translators

to the list of those whom you say are heretics (link below) because they believe "Scripture is the word of God written."

@ your second quote, point 3) http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2299244-post85.html.

Of course, in the face of all this evidence, there is still no way you could be the one who is wrong in claiming that "the Bible is the word of God is heresy."

For there are none to whom you do not feel superior.
 
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angellous_evangellous

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smokydot said:
Assumes facts not in evidence. . .again.
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Um, no. If your unedited posts reflect your knowledge, you certainly did not know that.

Unless you were lying, of course. And I don't think that you were.
 
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angellous_evangellous

Guest
smokydot said:
Then why did you say it was only a minority that believed Scripture is the word of God written, if you really didn't know how many, that it was all of them? . .
you dishonestly supported your claim with false evidence.

And you falsely claimed that none of the creeds you randomly checked contained it, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2333467-post1184.html.

Yet you accuse me of all kinds of dishonesty which you cannot show, for example here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2315325-post488.html,
and make the phony claim that you cannot show even one because I materially alter my posts. . .
when, in reality, it is you who dishonestly supports their false claims with false evidence.

And so it is. . .that in addition to the

1) Reformers,
2) authors of the Westminster Confession,
3) Anglican Church, and
4) minority of NIV translators. . .we now have to add
5) all NIV translators

to the list of those whom you say are heretics (link below) because they believe "Scripture is the word of God written."

@ your second quote, point 3) http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2299244-post85.html.

Of course, in the face of all this evidence, there is still no way you could be the one who is wrong in claiming that "the Bible is the word of God is heresy."

For there are none to whom you do not feel superior.
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One of the many differences between you and me smoky is when I see that I'm wrong I admit it and move on. That's an important characteristic of honesty.

Yes, I was wrong about the NIV translators. Had I known otherwise, I would not have said what I said and I won't say that again. That's what honest people do.

And I was basing what I said on information that I was showing you, not to mention personal experience.

I've never seen you admit that you were wrong. Heck, you won't even admit that you didn't know it until late in the thread.

You can go on living in your nice little world. The rest of us see you for what you really are.
 
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lockyfan

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free spirit said:
A slave has to obey, we have been freed from slavery, so we can say no to our fleshly desires, that is what repentance is all about.
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Romans 3:21-26
But now apart from law God’s righteousness has been made manifest, as it is borne witness to by the Law and the Prophets; yes, God’s righteousness through the faith in Jesus Christ, for all those having faith. For there is no distinction. For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and it is as a free gift that they are being declared righteous by his undeserved kindness through the release by the ransom [paid] by Christ Jesus. God set him forth as an offering for propitiation through faith in his blood. This was in order to exhibit his own righteousness, because he was forgiving the sins that occurred in the past while God was exercising forbearance; so as to exhibit his own righteousness in this present season, that he might be righteous even when declaring righteous the man that has faith in Jesus.

Romans 12:1-2
Consequently I entreat YOU by the compassions of God, brothers, to present YOUR bodies a sacrifice living, holy, acceptable to God, a sacred service with YOUR power of reason.And quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making YOUR mind over, that YOU may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.


So what they are saying really is that we all still fall short and are subject to sin. We cant help it we are still imperfect. Jesus died to cover our sins, but yet we still do sin. We still do fall short of the glory of God. Until sin is completly removed from this world, we are all subject to sin, due to our imperfection.

However, if we use our minds to not be fashioned after this system of things, and stay clear of it, then we will have it counted as righteousness.

Basically what you are telling me is that you no longer commit sin. But that is untrue isnt it? You still do occasionally commit a sin here and there dont you? So are you free from the slavery of sin and death?



free spirit said:
2 Corinthians 5:17,
"Therefore if any man is in christ he is a new creature; the old thing passed away; behold. new things have come."
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2 Cor 6:17
‘Therefore get out from among them, and separate yourselves,’ says Jehovah, ‘and quit touching the unclean thing’”; “‘and I will take YOU in.

Colossian 3:5-14
Deaden, therefore, YOUR body members that are upon the earth as respects fornication, uncleanness, sexual appetite, hurtful desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. On account of those things the wrath of God is coming. In those very things YOU, too, once walked when YOU used to live in them. But now really put them all away from YOU, wrath, anger, badness, abusive speech, and obscene talk out of YOUR mouth. Do not be lying to one another. Strip off the old personality with its practices, and clothe yourselves with the new [personality], which through accurate knowledge is being made new according to the image of the One who created it, where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcision nor uncircumcision, foreigner, Scyth′ian, slave, freeman, but Christ is all things and in all.

Accordingly, as God’s chosen ones, holy and loved, clothe yourselves with the tender affections of compassion, kindness, lowliness of mind, mildness, and long-suffering. Continue putting up with one another and forgiving one another freely if anyone has a cause for complaint against another. Even as Jehovah freely forgave YOU, so do YOU also. But, besides all these things, [clothe yourselves with] love, for it is a perfect bond of union.


free spirit said:
2 John 5:11-12, "And the witness is this, that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his son. He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life."
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Yes very true. But are people living eternally? No! They are still dying, because we are yet to have God's Kingdom upon this earth. We are still in "this system of things" which is ruled by Satan

1 John 5:19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one.
John 12:31
Now there is a judging of this world; now the ruler of this world will be cast out.
Luke 10:18
At that he said to them: “I began to behold Satan already fallen like lightning from heaven
Rev 12:9
So down the great dragon was hurled, the original serpent, the one called Devil and Satan, who is misleading the entire inhabited earth; he was hurled down to the earth, and his angels were hurled down with him

So you see, satan is clearly still roaming this earth, he is yet to be destroyed as the bible talks in Psalm 37:10,11,29 of a peaceful society. That is when we will be freed of the bondage of sin as we will then be perfect
Psalm 37:10-11
And just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more; And you will certainly give attention to his place, and he will not be. 11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

Psalm 37:29
The righteous themselves will possess the earth, And they will reside forever upon it.

Is the world a righteous place? No it isnt. If it were, there would be no disasters or murder or wars. It would be peaceful. And notice the wording it says the righteous WILL reside FOREVER on the EARTH.

free spirit said:
1 John 3:6-8, "No one who abides in Him sins, no one who sins has seen Him or knows Him. Little children, let no one deceive you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous."

What you said above does not mach scriptures.
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Do you believe that you only have to Have faith in God?

The scriptures sho us that No you must EXERCISE faith in Jehovah God. So Practicing the rightyeousness is the key. Not just expecting it to happen. We must use our Brains and minds that are trained to distinguish both right and wrong

Hebrews 5:11-14
Concerning him we have much to say and hard to be explained, since YOU have become dull in YOUR hearing. For, indeed, although YOU ought to be teachers in view of the time, YOU again need someone to teach YOU from the beginning the elementary things of the sacred pronouncements of God; and YOU have become such as need milk, not solid food. For everyone that partakes of milk is unacquainted with the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. But solid food belongs to mature people, to those who through use have their perceptive powers trained to distinguish both right and wrong.
 
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smokydot

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angellous_evangellous said:
One of the many differences between you and me smoky is when I see that I'm wrong I admit it and move on. That's an important characteristic of honesty.
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Ew-w-w. . .fe-e-el the righteousness. . .what a load of self-righteousness!

You were caught red-handed making stuff up! . .and now you try to spin it into honesty! . .that is some kind of pathetic!

So that's a yes that you were wrong to say that "Scripture is the word of God written" is a heresy of smokydot.

Good. . .now since this whole issue on Scripture being the word of God written was just a red herring thrown out to change the issue from your heresy
of Paul's gospel-eradicating theology, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2331194-post1112.html, we can get back again to your defense of your heresy.
Yes, I was wrong about the NIV translators. Had I known otherwise,
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If you didn't know the facts, then why didn't you say so, instead of "making up stuff" to support your view?
I would not have said what I said and I won't say that aain. That's what honest people do.
And I was basing what I said on information that I was showing you, not to mention personal experience.
I've never seen you admit that you were wrong.
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Check it out with Harmonious.
Heck, you won't even admit that you didn't know it until late in the thread.
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Assumes facts not in evidence. . .again.

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.
You can go on living in your nice little world. The rest of us see you for what you really are.
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The spin on your dishonesty never stops.
 
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