Can Jewish law be fulfilled?

[astarath]

Agreed.

 

[Harmonious]

To fulfill the law one has to live their entire life without breaking the law once, for if you break the law once, you are a breaker of the law and not a fulfuller of it.

Says you.

If one makes a concerted effort to do the right thing, that person is a fulfiller of the law, even when they make mistakes.

A person who specifically rejects the law and rebels against it is a breaker of the law.

Only one man was able to do that, His name is Jesus of Nazaret.

Oh, no he wasn't, and I explained several situations where he did indeed sin, and grievously.

 

[Harmonious]

Agreed.

With whom?

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Red herring

 

[free spirit]

By one person, such that it doesn't need to be fulfilled anymore? No.

In the beginning Adam broke one law once, so the character of humanity was changed for all time from the inside, therefore we cannot help ouselves but sin.

By people on a continuous basis? Yes.
This is a lie and what makes it worse is that you are lieing to yourself, for you know that you are breaking the law in a daily basis.

In the new beginning Jesus fulfilled the law for everyone, and reversed what Adam did: and a new era was dawned upon humanity.
Now we read in Romans 13:7-10, "Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. for this, 'You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet.' and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."

 

[free spirit]

Says you.

If one makes a concerted effort to do the right thing, that person is a fulfiller of the law, even when they make mistakes.

A person who specifically rejects the law and rebels against it is a breaker of the law.

Oh, no he wasn't, and I explained several situations where he did indeed sin, and grievously.

Says you.

 

[Harmonious]

In the new beginning Jesus fulfilled the law for everyone, and reversed what Adam did: and a new era was dawned upon humanity.
Now we read in Romans 13:7-10, "Render to all what is due them: tax to whom tax is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor. Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. for this, 'You shall not commit adultery, you shall not murder, you shall not steal, you shall not covet.' and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, 'you shall love your neighbor as yourself.' Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law."

As I said: says you.

Apparently, whoever wrote Romans thinks so, too.

That doesn't make him right, either, though.

 

[Harmonious]

Says you.

Touché.

It's just your belief against mine, and there is an end.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

Says me.

 

[Harmonious]

Says me.

:angel2:

 

[angellous_evangellous]

That's what made the thread so much fun.

 

[Harmonious]

You sneaky such and such. I almost missed these.

In the beginning Adam broke one law once, so the character of humanity was changed for all time from the inside, therefore we cannot help ouselves but sin.

In the beginning, Adam did change the relationship humanity has with God, but God has since forgiven Adam.

God created us ALL with free will. We definitely CAN help ourselves. We'll never be perfect, as only God can be perfect, but we can definitely do the best we can.

It's our job to do our best, and then God will do the rest.

By people on a continuous basis? Yes.

This is a lie and what makes it worse is that you are lieing to yourself, for you know that you are breaking the law in a daily basis.

You miserable...

You are a jerk for having said that. I understand that according to YOUR belief system, people can never be perfect, and therefore require a savior to fix humanity's ills.

You have NO RIGHT to say that by believing in MY belief system, I am lying to myself, as are countless faithful Jews who do our level best to serve God.

Well... You have the right to say what you wish. You also have the right to be thought of as the worm that you are.

My conversation with you is done.

 

[free spirit]

You sneaky such and such. I almost missed these.In the beginning, Adam did change the relationship humanity has with God, but God has since forgiven Adam.

God created us ALL with free will. We definitely CAN help ourselves. We'll never be perfect, as only God can be perfect, but we can definitely do the best we can.

It's our job to do our best, and then God will do the rest.

You miserable...

You are a jerk for having said that. I understand that according to YOUR belief system, people can never be perfect, and therefore require a savior to fix humanity's ills.

You have NO RIGHT to say that by believing in MY belief system, I am lying to myself, as are countless faithful Jews who do our level best to serve God.

Well... You have the right to say what you wish. You also have the right to be thought of as the worm that you are.
We were made in the image of God, and as such I respect and love you as a potential brother in the Lord.

My conversation with you is done.

As you wish.

 

[smokydot]

Don't say I didn't try.

But at least now you know:

1) his acknowledged game, which he admitted here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2315778-post1353.html,

2) the why of all the useless posts. . .which were just red herrings to detract from his indefensible argument in the issue at hand, and

3) the repeated posts. . .to get back to the several issues at hand.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

But at least now you know:

1) his acknowledged game, which he admitted here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2315778-post1353.html,

2) the why of all the useless posts. . .which were just red herrings to detract from his indefensible argument in the issue at hand, and

3) the repeated posts. . .to get back to the issue at hand.

:biglaugh:

 

[smokydot]

So can the law be fulfilled?

Yes, and it has been by Jesus the Christ.

See: http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2310320-post238.html --and-- http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2320006-post527.html.
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[smokydot]

Says me.

Working both sides of the street again. . .

Yes. As a Christian, I believe that Christ fulfilled the law.

I wonder if you can name them all -- yes, I can;

and their view concerning Scripture -- they believe Scripture is the Word of God written, as Jesus said; and

if they think that the Jewish law can be fulfilled. Remember to exclude our beloved Packer.

They believe the NT revelation that Jesus fulfilled both the moral law (Decalogue) and the ceremonial law, as shown from the NT in the following:

See Religious Education Forum - View Single Post - Can Jewish law be fulfilled? --and-- http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2320006-post527.html.

 

[smokydot]

EDITS in red near middle of following:

quote=angellous_evangellous;2333069]You really have no reason to believe that scholars and denominations would believe that "the Bible is the Word of God written."[/quote]You yourself showed it is the creed of the Anglican Church.
quote=angellous_evangellous;2333233]Smoky,
YOU said that a true biblical scholar must believe that "the Bible is the Word of God written" and go on about the immanence of the NIV translators... and a minority of them believe it.[/quote]
quote=smokydot;2333338]Assumes facts not in evidence. . .again.

The NIV reports that "the translators were united in their commitment to the authority and infallibility of the Bible as God's Word in written form."[/quote]
quote=angellous_evangellous;2333551]One of the many differences between you and me smoky is when I see that I'm wrong I admit it and move on. That's an important characteristic of honesty.[/quote]Ew-w-w. . .fe-e-el the righteousness. . .what a load of self-righteousness!

You were caught red-handed making up stuff! . .and now you try to spin it into honesty! . .that is pathetic.

So that's a yes that you were wrong to say: "Scripture is the word of God written" is a heresy of smokydot.

Good. . .now, since this whole issue on Scripture being the word of God written was just a red herring thrown out to move the issue away from your heresy

of Paul's gospel-eradicating theology, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2331194-post1112.html, we can get back again to your defense of your heresy.

Yes, I was wrong about the NIV translators. Had I known otherwise,

If you didn't know the facts, then why didn't you say so? . .not buying your spin. . .you chose to just "make up stuff" to support your view. . .which is one of your favorite false charges against me. . .however, as seen here, it's a true charge against you. . .your spin not-with-standing.

EDIT: Okay, let's take a look at your glaring bald-headed lie in your second post above (text in red).

After stating the contested point of doctrine, -- "Scripture is the Word of God written"

and then setting up the height of the NIV translators' eminence in my view, "a true Biblical scholar must believe the doctrine. . .you go on about the eminence of the NIV translators..."

you then make up stuff. . .to knock the props from under their support of my argument (the point of doctrine) with the lie -- "and a minority of them believe it."

You can't spin that as a simple. . .or honest. . .mistake. . .by saying "I was wrong. . .had I known otherwise."
You're copping to a lesser crime (I was wrong) hoping your true crime (I lied) won't be exposed.

With full knowledge and full consent, you made up stuff to try to knock the props from under their support of my argument. . .it's as plain as the nose on your face.

You flat out lied! . .admit it.

I've never seen you admit that you were wrong.

That's been refuted before. . .and you know it. . .check it out with Harmonious who was a witness.

You condemn yourself right along with me because you obviously didn't know this either until you posted it.

Assumes facts not in evidence. . .again.

Another red herring to detract from being caught red-handed "making up stuff". . .again, which is given the lie here ---> my third response @

http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2332954-post1150.html, showing my long-standing confidence in the true Biblical scholarship of the NIV.

And then there's your faulty logic. . .again: absence of evidence (for a thing). . .is not. . .evidence of absence (of the thing).

You can go on living in your nice little world. The rest of us see you for what you really are.

The spin on your dishonesty never stops. . .you were caught red-handed making up stuff. . .and lying!

 

[smokydot]

So it it DIFFERENT than the NIV or THE SAME.
Is it English or Greek? Can you read Greek?

It is not Greek. . .it is the NIV. . and your attempt to make a mountain out of a molehill, because of the use of angellous in place of angel, is showing.

You're desperate man. . .got anything with substance?

For an example of substance, see http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2335148-post1264.html, which you have yet to address. . .

Do you know what happens when you rape it in order to insult someone?
You're not treating the Bible as the written word of God, man. Flippantly changing stuff around.

Speaking of using it to insult, does flippantly using it to mock count as rape, as in your following posts?

Repent! For the kingdom of heaven is here!

So you see, it's not a taunt or an insult but an indisputable truth.

A word of god written so to speak.

I don't believe that the bible is the written Word of God, but I fear God enough not to tamper with Scripture.

Working both sides of the street. . .again.

Apparently you don't fear God enough not to mock Scriptue, in your two posts above this one.

Physician, heal thyself. . .forego the trumped up charges. . .and deal with the issue at hand, here ---> http://www.religiousforums.com/forum/2335148-post1264.html,
which is your heresy of Paul's gospel-eradicating theology.

 

[angellous_evangellous]

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