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Can science create a word or an atom of the Universe/s from annihilation?

LuisDantas

Aura of atheification
Premium Member
@paarsurrey , the way you word your questions... is disconcerting.

I find myself wondering what you understand by "science". You seem to think of it as some form of magic.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
"the standard model"

Who fixed the standard and the model and for whom? Please
Regards
Perhaps, the issue is neither science or humans can create a single atom or physical substance from nothing. Everything came from the beginning of the universe, and without the existence of our material world there would be nothing, or something like that.
  1. Everything came from the beginning of the universe, and
  2. without the existence of our material world there would be nothing, or
  3. something like that.

  1. When did the beginning begin? Please
  2. With and without of the universe/s , the attributes of God work/ed. Right? Please
  3. So, that is one's conjecture, one's hint with the word "like" suggests. It is neither from Religion nor from science. Right? Please
Anybody, please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Human beings create words all of the time. Esperanto is an entire language created by a Polish physician in 1887.

In which country it is an official , natural and mother language?Please
There is no real or natural language without the currency in the masses and the ordinary public in speaking primarily, even if they are illiterate .
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
So what? No one claimed science produced it's own unique and complete language. Science is a tool not a thing.

That is my point, science is only a tool of man in the physical and material realms and does no cover the whole human life.
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
This is true I think. But do you think it proves Quran is the Word of God?
Those who do not believe in Quran would say, a human being could have written Quran. So, in your view, what evidence or proof are there, that Quran is the Word of God?
I never said that, exactly.
Quran, if correctly understood, guides one in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms, and gives reasonable reasons and arguments that Quran is the pristine, and secure Word of God, undoubtedly. No other revealed book provides claims and reasons on ethical, moral and spiritual issues.
Quran does claim that God made it possible for human being to acquire/evolve the language, naturally. And God created/evolved the Universe/s to begin with, before it, these did not exist. Reasons have also been given to that end in Quran.
Regards
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
In which country it is an official , natural and mother language?Please
There is no real or natural language without the currency in the masses and the ordinary public in speaking primarily, even if they are illiterate .
Regards

What does the current or even former popularity of a langue have to do with anything? YOU made the absurd claim that human beings aren't capable of creating words. I provided an example of an entire language full of words that was created by a human being. A language is a langue, regardless of how often it is used or how widely accepted it is by the masses. What is your opinion is a 'real' or 'natural' language?
 

InvestigateTruth

Veteran Member
I never said that, exactly.
Quran, if correctly understood, guides one in the ethical, moral and spiritual realms, and gives reasonable reasons and arguments that Quran is the pristine, and secure Word of God, undoubtedly.
Yes, I also believe so.

No other revealed book provides claims and reasons on ethical, moral and spiritual issues.
Well, I believe all Books that are revealed by God, provides claims and reasons on ethical, moral and spiritual.

Quran does claim that God made it possible for human being to acquire/evolve the language, naturally. And God created/evolved the Universe/s to begin with, before it, these did not exist.
Yes.


Reasons have also been given to that end in Quran.
Regards
I am not sure what you mean by this last sentence.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
The book 1984 provides a very rational and reasoned argument against the concept of communism, yet it is a book of fiction. Thus the Quran, even if it might provide rational reasoning, can just as easily be a book of fiction. Please try again.
Did one mean "Nineteen Eighty-Four" dystopian novel published in 1949 by English author George Orwell.
I have not read it, sorry. I did not know about it.
Thanks for introducing me to this good book. I have checked it from Wikipedia .However, long time before I read the novel "Animal Farm " written by the same author. I liked it.
Regards
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Did one mean "Nineteen Eighty-Four" dystopian novel published in 1949 by English author George Orwell.
I have not read it, sorry. I did not know about it.
Thanks for introducing me to this good book. I have checked it from Wikipedia .However, long time before I read the novel "Animal Farm " written by the same author. I liked it.
Regards

Well then, you know that Animal Farm is yet another fictional book that provides a very reasoned and rational argument against communism. So are you ready to admit that your claim that 'Books of fictions don't provide rational reasoning' is completely unfounded?
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
  1. Everything came from the beginning of the universe, and
  2. without the existence of our material world there would be nothing, or
  3. something like that.
  1. When did the beginning begin? Please
  2. With and without of the universe/s , the attributes of God work/ed. Right? Please
  3. So, that is one's conjecture, one's hint with the word "like" suggests. It is neither from Religion nor from science. Right? Please
Anybody, please
Regards

My perspective on the universe is based on what I know about its purpose. What I know is not provable, but, perhaps, adequate for explaining it. Assuming God created the universe as a prison for Satan, His rebellious angel, it would be the anti-thesis of heaven. Whereas heaven is full of God's holy light, the universe is a dark foreboding place with exploding stars, swirling galaxies and all consuming black holes. Laws of entropy best explain the fate of the universe with constant material changes toward the vastness of dark space into unending nothingness. Whereas, in heaven eternal white sparks of God's holiness are everywhere, in the universe, finite specks of matter are held together based on physical laws. It is, of course, a mystery as to how heaven and the universe co-exist. I think the universe is a dark hole in heaven which will eventually disappear. Satan has made many attempts to escape from the universe to return to heaven, but without success. It is interesting, scientists have discovered dark ugly scares on the boundary of the universe. I believe they are from Satan's escape attempts. Scientists call those dark anomalies "Axis of Evil." My theory is Satan guides galaxies toward the boundary to breach the boundary. Recently, science has discovered a flow of galaxies going faster than the expansion rate of the universe heading for a particular point on the boundary. Perhaps, this is another attempt by Satan to break out. In the meantime, Satan continues to cause trouble on earth.
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
My perspective on the universe is based on what I know about its purpose. What I know is not provable, but, perhaps, adequate for explaining it. Assuming God created the universe as a prison for Satan, His rebellious angel, it would be the anti-thesis of heaven. Whereas heaven is full of God's holy light, the universe is a dark foreboding place with exploding stars, swirling galaxies and all consuming black holes. Laws of entropy best explain the fate of the universe with constant material changes toward the vastness of dark space into unending nothingness. Whereas, in heaven eternal white sparks of God's holiness are everywhere, in the universe, finite specks of matter are held together based on physical laws. It is, of course, a mystery as to how heaven and the universe co-exist. I think the universe is a dark hole in heaven which will eventually disappear. Satan has made many attempts to escape from the universe to return to heaven, but without success. It is interesting, scientists have discovered dark ugly scares on the boundary of the universe. I believe they are from Satan's escape attempts. Scientists call those dark anomalies "Axis of Evil." My theory is Satan guides galaxies toward the boundary to breach the boundary. Recently, science has discovered a flow of galaxies going faster than the expansion rate of the universe heading for a particular point on the boundary. Perhaps, this is another attempt by Satan to break out. In the meantime, Satan continues to cause trouble on earth.
What is the source of one's perspective? Is it based on religion or on science? Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Well then, you know that Animal Farm is yet another fictional book that provides a very reasoned and rational argument against communism. So are you ready to admit that your claim that 'Books of fictions don't provide rational reasoning' is completely unfounded?
Sometimes, yes.
Regards
 

Repox

Truth Seeker
What is the source of one's perspective? Is it based on religion or on science? Please
Regards
I have had a strange life. Every since I was an young adult, I have had revelations of one kind or another. It started in the military, I saw Satan's face in a mirror in a barrack's building. Even so, I have had a successful life in business and as a college professor. Wherever I've been, I have had unusual dreams. My first strange dream was about Paul on a dirt road. A cloud surrounded him, a voice said, "come up to heaven with me." Paul walked away down the road saying, first "I must evangelize the world." It is not the story from Acts. Then, in retirement I've had most of those dreams and visions posted here on this forum. They don't fit within any religious perspective. Because they don't flatter humans, they are not worth anything for beginning a new religion. Clerical people hate it, they don't like such negative views about humans. Nevertheless, I understand. If you're objective about history, you don't find much to redeem humankind. However, I try not to judge, I just reflect on what I know. Almost everything I know is contrary to religious dogma. Mostly, the idea that God created the universe as a prison for Satan is unaccepted to those in the religious community. Thanks for your interest.
 

Shad

Veteran Member
That is my point, science is only a tool of man in the physical and material realms and does no cover the whole human life.
Regards

You are not telling me anything new here. I knew this almost two decades ago. Thanks Captain Obvious
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
I have had a strange life. Every since I was an young adult, I have had revelations of one kind or another. It started in the military, I saw Satan's face in a mirror in a barrack's building. Even so, I have had a successful life in business and as a college professor. Wherever I've been, I have had unusual dreams. My first strange dream was about Paul on a dirt road. A cloud surrounded him, a voice said, "come up to heaven with me." Paul walked away down the road saying, first "I must evangelize the world." It is not the story from Acts. Then, in retirement I've had most of those dreams and visions posted here on this forum. They don't fit within any religious perspective. Because they don't flatter humans, they are not worth anything for beginning a new religion. Clerical people hate it, they don't like such negative views about humans. Nevertheless, I understand. If you're objective about history, you don't find much to redeem humankind. However, I try not to judge, I just reflect on what I know. Almost everything I know is contrary to religious dogma. Mostly, the idea that God created the universe as a prison for Satan is unaccepted to those in the religious community. Thanks for your interest.
So, it means, if I have understood one correctly, that what one mentions/ed is neither based on the Word of God nor on science. Please
Regards
 

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
Are you also ready to admit that human beings not only create new words all of the time, but entire new languages?
Rather,it is a process, created/evolved by God, which is inbuilt or intuitive in the human beings which creates words and the languages, it is for this that even the illiterates do it, for it no literacy or being a scientist is necessary. Please
Regards

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"Although the origins of language remain highly controversial there is general agreement that these early Australopithecus afarensis hominids lacked a formally structured means of communicating. Whatever sounds and signals they may have employed they must have depended largely on their subjective intuitive interpretation within a given circumstance as distinct from formally agreed upon objective signs and sounds."
Intuition and logic in human evolution
@language
 

QuestioningMind

Well-Known Member
Rather,it is a process, created/evolved by God, which is inbuilt or intuitive in the human beings which creates words and the languages, it is for this that even the illiterates do it, for it no literacy or being a scientist is necessary. Please
Regards

____________
"Although the origins of language remain highly controversial there is general agreement that these early Australopithecus afarensis hominids lacked a formally structured means of communicating. Whatever sounds and signals they may have employed they must have depended largely on their subjective intuitive interpretation within a given circumstance as distinct from formally agreed upon objective signs and sounds."
Intuition and logic in human evolution
@language

No one claimed that science is required for human beings to create words. It does appear to be an intuitive process, but where is your evidence that any sort of God is involved?
 
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