Can science disprove the existence of God?

[Noa]

So the existence or non-existence of gods makes absolutely no measurable difference to any part of the universe that we can observe? That's the implication of your position.

No, it is not the implication of what I said.

 

[leibowde84]

A morality-based reason is that without God, there are no moral absolutes. However, we know that there are moral absolutes: some things are absolutely wrong and we know it. Therefore, God must necessarily exist. This doesn't prove God's existence, but it makes faith much more reasonable than disbelieve. A historical reason is the ton of evidence supporting Jesus' resurrection, as well as the fact that the prophecies contained in the Jewish scriptures closely match the events and teachings of Jesus. Another reason is the fact that the book of Daniel predicts the destruction of the Jerusalem Temple with great accuracy. Another reason is that God coming to the Earth to pay for our sins is the most moving story ever and gives meaning and purpose to our lives. Again, this last reason does not prove that God exists, but it makes believing in Him much more reasonable than not believing in him, since in a universe without God, life has no purpose and no meaning. In addition, the fact that the universe cannot be infinite (because infinity is just a concept and has no real existence) tells us that the universe must have had a beginning. Since nothing comes out of nothing, the cause that originated the universe must be outside of the universe (i.e., outside of time and space). For such an atemporal cause to have caused a temporal consequence (the universe), the cause must be personal (i.e., a being) because impersonal atemporal causes can only originate atemporal consequences. There are many other reasons that either prove the existence of God or make believing in God much more reasonable than not believing in God.

Beyond "we just know it", which is laughable when used as support, there is no evidence of moral absolutes.

 

[leibowde84]

It is a very reasonable question. Can't one prove that a certain person is not in the house?
Regards

How about leprechauns, minators, fairies, and aliens. How can you prove they don't exist anywhere in all of existence?

 

[Robert.Evans]

It's a bit glib, but it reflects the Christian idea that God is responsible for everything, including the standard that we're judged by and our inability to meet that standard.

There's a Biblical analogy about God as the potter and people as pots that God can do with as he sees fit. The flipside of this that Christians seldom acknowledge is that when a pot cracks or leaks, this is a reflection on the potter. If God is ultimately responsible for us, then ultimately, our failures are God's failures.

What's the difference? They are one.

Punishing an innocent person for someone else's crimes is neither just nor merciful.

He hasn't.

 

[Robert.Evans]

You're glossing over important differences between different cultures' gods. Pick any god from the long list of gods that people have believed in and the vast majority of humanity will agree that THAT god doesn't exist.

It probably doesn't now.

 

[Milton Platt]

I am amazed at how many high-calibre scientists are out to demonstrate that science disproves the existence of God. This amazes me because in general all science students learn at least a little bit of philosophy of science. One of the most basic principles in philosophy of science is that of falsifiability. A statement is falsifiable if there is an observation (either experimental or logical) that can demonstrate that the statement is false. For example, the statement “all cats are black” can easily be disproven by finding a cat that is not black. Similarly, the statement “parallel straight lines meet at some point” is false by definition. However, statements such as “this cat ought to be black” are unfalsifiable because it is impossible to demonstrate what something ought to be. Another example of an unfalsifiable statement is “if I had been born in Nigeria, I would be two meters tall”. These statements are unscientific because they are unfalsifiable. Science cannot tell us anything about them. It can neither prove them nor disprove them. However, an unfalsifiable statement may be true. For example, “mothers ought to love their children” is unfalsifiable and unscientific, but may be true nonetheless. The existence of God is unfalsifiable. Therefore, science cannot tell us anything about it. Claiming that this is not so is demonstrating a profound ignorance of what science is and is not. Please share your thoughts on the matter.

Please provide a list of "high caliber scientists" that have put forth scientific hypotheses and performed scientific studies on the non-existence of a supernatural being. It would help to provide links to where the published papers are so others can see them. That way you can show that you aren't lying about this. How's that?

 

[Milton Platt]

What's the difference? They are one.

He hasn't.

Didn't Jesus get tortured and crucified for other's sins? Seems that is dying for someone else to me.

 

[Robert.Evans]

LOL. Stand no chance against what? The absurd notion of "original sin" or the convoluted and unncessary plan to kill Jesus to cleanse us of this sin?

There has to be an "original".

You know a religious person is about to lay down some serious horse poo when they start the sentence with "the truth is."

I guess we should start with this...do you believe literally in the story of Adam and Eve? Because these "sins" I've been saddled with are none of my doing. I've been accused of crimes so bad that I'll burn in hell for eternity for them, and these horrible crimes againt God are...someone else ate an apple a billion years ago. LOL.

They are from higher consciousness. but they would have been represented on earth. The nature reflects

So God, who knows everything that will happen ahead of time,

If the God of Genesis does, why does he say, Where are you? in the garden?

sets up Adam and Eve, allows the Devil, posing as a talking snake,

No talking snake. A serpent, within consciousness, not a snake. There are many angles to look at in that scripture, one is procreation.

to trick them, knowing they wouldn't be able to resist the Devil's trickery.

It was no trick.

Then God blames the rest of the human race...every single innocent pure baby that is born is blamed for this...for the rest of eternity. A baby born next week will come out accused by God of terrible sin. Sin so bad the baby will burn in hell if it doesn't learn to worship properly. A newborn baby. Guily of sin.

Adam and Chavah are Man and Woman.

This is like putting a bowl of cookies on the low coffee table, leaving your dog alone in the room, and then when you come back and the cookies have been eaten, not only do you beat your dog for the crime of eating the cookies you knew it would eat, you beat all the dogs in the neighborhood, and when your dog has puppies, you beat those dogs too, and 100 years from now you keep beating every dog you see because once upon a time your dog ate some cookies you left out on purpose to tempt it. 1000 years from now, you keep beating every dog every born, because 1000 years prior, your dog ate some cooking you intentionally left on a low coffee table.

We make 'us' not the God. The God of flesh is what we are. Otherwise how could he judge you?

So then...if that initial set up job isn't absurd enough...now we get to the beautiful redemption part. God can't forgive us for some reason, for what amounts to one ancient dog eating cookies off the coffee table. Who knows why he can't just forgive us...he sure can hold a grudge it seems. Because he's "just" I guess? Apparently..."just" means you never forgive anyone, even a little, for stuff their ancestors did. Anyway, instead of just forgiving us, in the ultimite passive-aggressive guilt trip, he for no decernable reason, sends himself in human form to Earth to be murdered. THEN he forgives us, but only if we spend the rest of our lives groveling at his feet and praising him for this great "sacrifce" that we never asked him to commit which inexplicably washes us clean of crimes we didn't commit.

You don't have to grovel at his feet. The Son is the ultimate Life...we all died for our sin

Imagine this! Let's say my wife burns dinner. No, better yet, let's say my wife's great, great, great, great grandmother once burned dinner. I'm so pissed off about this that I threaten to kill her every night. "Your great, great, great, great grandmother burned the roast that time, one of these days I'm going to throw you in the furnance!" I say. She begs "what can I do to make it better" and I say "nothing, I can never forgive you...unless I chop off my arm!" So then I chop off my arm and I scream "look at how you made me suffer, I suffer because of you, I suffer do you see me suffer, gaze on my bleeding stump that I chopped of for you!" Then...thankful to the point of tears she says "oh you're so great I can't believe how I made you suffer, you are the greatest husband ever because you chopped of your own arm so that I could be forgiven!"

The absurdity of this story is off the charts. I know it's sacred to a lot of people, but it's really barking mad. And this is the foundation of what half the world lives their life around...this story of guilt, blame and tenuous conditional forgiveness.

Your story is barking mad perhaps. Everything unfit dies....you see it all over, in every facet of life, even the sun eventually. The sun is a representation of the God of this aeon.

Scripture is not a comic, it is not an easy read. It might be sufficient for some to accept it in the basic form, with no consequences, as they believe. But as with any subject, you will not understand it by just having a cursory read. It is spiritually-discerned

 

[Robert.Evans]

I was raised in a devout Christian household, studied it in college, and have read the Bible cover to cover twice. Just because you have one idea about a faith that millions share doesn't mean you know more than others. Get over yourself, pride is a sin.



The Bible says bats are birds and that we should beat our slaves too. You still need to read it and ask yourself if it makes sense. The Bible says sin passed from Adam to all men...because all men have sinned? Has a newborn baby sinned?

There are two basic levels of sin. One is when you do something wrong, phsycially, like murder. The other is the sin within, the mind, the heart, and that would depend on what level of God you are speaking of. Only the Saviour can clease to the highest level

 

[Robert.Evans]

That is an illogical question. Empirical evidence cannot exist for the absence of anything. So, you have pointed to something that is completely irrational to ask for.

Think about this ... is there empirical evidence that proves that unicorns don't exist? No, of course not. The absence of verifiable evidence that they do exist is sufficient to assume that they do not exist. The same should be acknowledged when it comes to God, which is the major point of atheism. For some reason the existence of God demands far less supporting evidence to believe when it comes to certain people.

Can you prove that a room is empty? I think so.

 

[Demonslayer]

Can you prove that a room is empty? I think so.

Of course not, God could be standing right in the middle of the room. Prove he isn't!!

 

[Noa]

Can you prove that a room is empty? I think so.

Empty of what?

 

[Robert.Evans]

There is plenty of evidence against CLAIMS people make about God. For instance, every day someone claims God cured them of cancer because they prayed and their prayers were answered. Yet we can, and have, proven that the rate of cancer survival is no greater among people who pray to be cured than among people who don't. They have done studies on this in multiple ways...sometimes they did it where certain groups were prayed for by others and didn't know, sometimes they people being prayed for were aware of the prayers, etc. In every case there was no difference in survival rates.

So we can't prove your God doesn't exist, but we can prove he's not curing cancer when people pray for it. That's just one example of things about God we can prove aren't true.

You can't prove that, because some do. You can't seriously think that you will do some scientific test to see if God answers prayers and think that will show whether he exists or not, when he tells you plainly that you will not see him- no evidence outwardly. That is why it works so well!

 

[Robert.Evans]

Didn't Jesus get tortured and crucified for other's sins? Seems that is dying for someone else to me.

I have stopped to think about this. It has to be viewed from so many different angles; he has to be both guilty and innocent to fulfill the law. How?

 

[Robert.Evans]

Of course not, God could be standing right in the middle of the room. Prove he isn't!!

You can prove the room is empty. How can you say "Of course not". Stick with reality will you.
God is the room.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Empty of what?

Don't get too technical, eh?

 

[Noa]

Don't get too technical, eh?

In order to claim that a room is empty you have to state what it is empty of. Otherwise the claim does not make sense.

Empty of fruitbaskets, empty of lint, empty of air, empty of sweet, delicious candies.

 

[Robert.Evans]

Didn't Jesus get tortured and crucified for other's sins? Seems that is dying for someone else to me.

Further:
Someone should not be killed if they are innocent of a crime.
An animal must have the sin of Man put upon it before slaughter.
An animal must be without blemish for sacrifice.

So to be the right sacrifice, he must be both sinner and saint, both right and left. He must be inccorectly killed, yet the guilty party must be ignorant, and yet they must present the correct sacrfice (without knowing). Haha.... that is some difficulty task! And it must be done on exactly the right day and time.

 

[Demonslayer]

empty of sweet, delicious candies

What a shame, evil is real.

 

[Noa]

What a shame, evil is real.

I know what a horrible room.