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Can science disprove the existence of God?

Milton Platt

Milton Platt

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ben d said:
Here is your quote....

So what does it mean if not that if something is claimed to be invisible, you claim it is similar to being non-existent?
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It only means That they look alike to a person looking at them. It is referencing theistic claims of invivible deities.

It does not mean we cannot detect things we cannot see with other scientific methods, simply that barring those methods, it is not valid to assume out of hand those things exist. If those scientific methods of seeing things can identify a god, then it is no longer invisible so to speak.

And I did confuse your remote sensing which is a valid field with remote viewing which is just hokum. My eyes saw sensing but my brain saw viewing. No comparison.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Milton Platt said:
It only means That they look alike to a person looking at them. It is referencing theistic claims of invivible deities.

It does not mean we cannot detect things we cannot see with other scientific methods, simply that barring those methods, it is not valid to assume out of hand those things exist. If those scientific methods of seeing things can identify a god, then it is no longer invisible so to speak.

And I did confuse your remote sensing which is a valid field with remote viewing which is just hokum. My eyes saw sensing but my brain saw viewing. No comparison.
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Well I have never seen invisibility nor non-existence to know that they look the same...so I will have to take your word for it...:) Ok..we can move on...

From the pantheistic pov...there is nothing invisible about God manifested....it is the physical universe which is God immanent...then there is God transcendent which is all else that exists which is not detectable by limited human physical senses..

But the apparent immanent and transcendent aspects of God.are only distinctions made by man....God is an indivisible one....
 
Milton Platt

Milton Platt

Well-Known Member
ben d said:
Well I have never seen invisibility nor non-existence to know that they look the same...so I will have to take your word for it...:) Ok..we can move on...

From the pantheistic pov...there is nothing invisible about God manifested....it is the physical universe which is God immanent...then there is God transcendent which is all else that exists which is not detectable by limited human physical senses..

But the apparent immanent and transcendent aspects of God.are only distinctions made by man....God is an indivisible one....
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So what is wrong with just using the word universe? Your definition makes your god a material thing. Which is okay.....it is your god so you get to define him any way you wish. But why would you label something god just because it is undetectable? And if it is undetectable, how do you know it exists?
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Milton Platt said:
So what is wrong with just using the word universe? Your definition makes your god a material thing. Which is okay.....it is your god so you get to define him any way you wish. But why would you label something god just because it is undetectable? And if it is undetectable, how do you know it exists?
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Because God is the one that is all....the manifested aspect and the unmanifest....the immanent and the transcendent....the seen and the unseen.... The apparent distinction man makes between what is known of absolute existence and what is unknown is an artifact of limited apprehension due to human consciousness limitations. The two apparent aspects constitute an indivisible whole.. We know there is more to existence than what is presently known...how do we know that? Because research is ongoing everywhere and new discoveries are being made continuously...do you think there is nothing unknown to mankind? Do you think there is nothing undetected by mankind?
 
paarsurrey

paarsurrey

Veteran Member
ImmortalFlame said:
In general, no. Science cannot disprove the existence of God. But in my opinion this has less to do with the limits of science and more to do with the extremely broad concept of God. There's no reason to assume that, if a God existed, science categorically wouldn't be able to demonstrate their existence; but even if that were true, we can't assume our inability to do so categorically eliminates the possibility of their existence. God, as a concept, can always slip into the gaps in our knowledge, and even if no gaps existed a God can still exist that is entirely exempt from our ability to understand or comprehend them by any means, scientific or otherwise.
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Your opinion is definitely wrong. It is not a subject of science, it will never take it.
Regards
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
LegionOnomaMoi said:
Well spoken!
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That's the thing....atheists think religious practice is a conceptual process like in academia.....it is not....materialists can not imagine non conceptual reality... Can you imagine actually realizing the reality represented by concepts directly instead of interpreting definitions mentally? No you can not and never will until you open your mind to non-conceptual reality...
 
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ArtieE

Well-Known Member
ben d said:
That's the thing....atheists think religious practice is a conceptual process like in academia.....it is not....materialists can not imagine non conceptual reality... Can you imagine actually realizing the reality represented by concepts directly instead of interpreting definitions mentally? No you can not and never will until you open your mind to non-conceptual reality...
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You can be an atheist and an anti-materialist at the same time.
http://wiki.ironchariots.org/index.php?title=Atheists_worship_materialism
 
Rick O'Shez

Rick O'Shez

Irishman bouncing off walls
ben d said:
That's the thing....atheists think religious practice is a conceptual process like in academia.....it is not....materialists can not imagine non conceptual reality... Can you imagine actually realizing the reality represented by concepts directly instead of interpreting definitions mentally? No you can not and never will until you open your mind to non-conceptual reality...
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Nonsense. Non-conceptual experience is nothing to do with believing in God. Again you're implying that monotheists have a monopoly on spiritual practice and experience, it's just plain wrong.
 
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outhouse

outhouse

Atheistically
Spiny Norman said:
Of course there is. But not everyone has the need to fill in the gaps with fanciful beliefs.
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Or using imagination and mythology.

Man has this need to keep making primitive mens mistakes, they love to keep repeating the habit of blindly flowing brainwashed mythology and theology.
 
Ben Dhyan

Ben Dhyan

Veteran Member
Spiny Norman said:
Nonsense. Non-conceptual experience is nothing to do with believing in God. Again you're implying that monotheists have a monopoly on spiritual practice and experience, it's just plain wrong.
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Your reading comprehension is abysmal....please quote where I implied that monotheists have a monopoly on spiritual practice? You often imply I am talking down to you..it is not the case...it is that you read into things that are not there and waste my time in having to respond to your irrelevant claims... So in future, please always quote me so we can be on the same page...
 
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