Can science disprove the existence of God?

[Ben Dhyan]

Of course there is. But not everyone has the need to fill in the gaps with fanciful beliefs.

That's the thing....atheists think religious practice is a conceptual process....it is not.... Can you imagine actually realizing the reality represented by concepts directly instead of interpreting definitions mentally? No you can not and never will until you open your mind to non-conceptual reality...

 

[outhouse]

That's the thing....atheists think religious practice is a conceptual process....it is not

Supply sources that substantiates your rhetorical claim with no credibility

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Supply sources that substantiates your rhetorical claim with no credibility

Ben D....I have been doing religious practice for decades...dhyana aka still mind meditation... When the mind is still and free from thought...reality as it actually is, is all there is...no interpretation of it is possible because if the mind thinks about it...the only reality the mind is aware of are the thought forms....not the reality for which the thought forms represent.. I doubt very much you can make much sense of what I said...but you are free to ask further if you so wish...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

That's the thing....atheists think religious practice is a conceptual process....it is not.... Can you imagine actually realizing the reality represented by concepts directly instead of interpreting definitions mentally? No you can not and never will until you open your mind to non-conceptual reality...

Non-conceptual awareness has nothing whatsoever to do with believing in God.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Ben D....I have been doing religious practice for decades...dhyana aka still mind meditation... ..

Jhanic states have nothing whatsoever to do with believing in God. You are seeing everything through the distorted lens of your theistic beliefs.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Your reading comprehension is abysmal....please quote where I implied that monotheists have a monopoly on spiritual practice? You often imply I am talking down to you..it is not the case...it is that you read into things that are not there and waste my time in having to respond to your irrelevant claims... So in future, please always quote me so we can be on the same page...

Posts #492 and #501 are recent examples of your dismissive attitude towards "atheists".

Are you not aware of how patronising you can sound?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Non-conceptual awareness has nothing whatsoever to do with believing in God.

Hmmm...reading comprehension? Quote me when you think i have made a claim that has a point...just making things up is a waste of my time to point it out...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Jhanic states have nothing whatsoever to do with believing in God. You are seeing everything through the distorted lens of your theistic beliefs.

Quote me if you think I have made a claim that is in error...making things up is a waste of my time...

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Posts #492 and #501 are recent examples of your dismissive attitude towards "atheists".

Are you not aware of how patronising you can sound?

Neither of these posts implied that monotheists have a monopoly on spiritual practice....which is what you claimed.. I am being dismissive of your making claims that are not true and thus wasting my time showing you... That is why I keep asking you to quote me whenever you make a claim so that you will be forced to be honest...

 

[outhouse]

Are you not aware of how patronising you can sound?

Some people love to stir the pot, and do so at any cost.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Quote me if you think I have made a claim that is in error...making things up is a waste of my time...

I just did. See posts #504 and #505.
Jhanic states and non-conceptual awareness have no relevance whatsoever to the existence of God, or to peoples' beliefs about it.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I just did. See posts #504 and #505.
Jhanic states and non-conceptual awareness have no relevance whatsoever to the existence of God, or to peoples' beliefs about it.

So where did I make the claim about God being relevant in the context of the exchange....please quote me instead of making things up....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

So where did I make the claim about God being relevant in the context of the exchange....please quote me instead of making things up....

You keep saying that atheists have no idea what religious practice is about. You say they are incapable of experiencing non-conceptual awareness, then you start on about jhana, which is completely irrelevant to the topic. And so it goes on.

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Supply sources that substantiates your rhetorical claim with no credibility

I think that rhetoric is all we are going to get.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

You keep saying that atheists have no idea what religious practice is about. You say they are incapable of experiencing non-conceptual awareness, then you start on about jhana, which is completely irrelevant to the topic. And so it goes on.

You did not quote me wrt my claims of God being relevant...do you admit you were wrong?

 

[Ben Dhyan]

I think that rhetoric is all we are going to get.

You were making it up about my claiming God was relevant...time after time I asked you to quote me and you continue to pretend you are being reasonable...Now quote me or just slink away....

 

[Rick O'Shez]

You did not quote me wrt my claims of God being relevant...do you admit you were wrong?

<sigh> You keep saying that atheists are incapable of understanding religious practice, which means you think that your belief in God makes you spiritually superior. It doesn't though, it just makes you sound patronising and preachy.

I get the impression you can't cope with people who challenge your beliefs.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

<sigh> You keep saying that atheists have no idea what religious practice is about, which means you think that your belief in God makes you spiritually superior.

Still mind meditation which is what I specifically mentioned as the religious practice I do, does not involve any thought or belief of God...

 

[Rick O'Shez]

Still mind meditation which is what I specifically mentioned as the religious practice I do, does not involve any thought or belief of God...

Why bring it into the discussion then? It has nothing to do with the topic.

 

[Ben Dhyan]

Why bring it into the discussion then? It has nothing to do with the topic.

You see what a time waster you are...you don't even know the context.....see outhouse post #490 where he said..."No one can prove anything to people with closed minds holding theistic bias they are often not well educated in."

From this statement by outhouse...he thinks religious aspirants require education as in a proper conceptual understanding...and that proof comes from conceptual teaching...hence my point concerning non-conceptual apprehension of reality in contrast to a conceptual interpretation of reality...