Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Yes]

Apparently not well. Here's what Wikipedia says:

"'The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit' are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God[54] because three persons exist in God as one entity.[55] They cannot be separate from one another. Each person is understood as having the identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures. Three distinct Persons. They are not interchangeable. This diagram may help:

The information you gave PROVES you wrong.

Read what you posted.

What you posted says they are three DISTINCT persons.

What you posted also says that they are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.

Distinct means different. Jesus is not different than God and the Holy Spirit. They are EXACTLY the same.

As for the interchangeable part, would you like scriptures that prove they are interchangeable?

 

[sojourner]

The information you gave PROVES you wrong.

Read what you posted.

What you posted says they are three DISTINCT persons.

What you posted also says that they are NOT INTERCHANGEABLE.

Distinct means different. Jesus is not different than God and the Holy Spirit. They are EXACTLY the same.

As for the interchangeable part, would you like scriptures that prove they are interchangeable?

You're conflating "God" with "Father." "God" is not a Person of the Trinity. The "Father" is -- and the Father is distinct from the "Son." Look at the diagram I posted. the doctrine states that there are three distinct Persons, but one God.

 

[Yes]

I will prove easily that God the Father and Jesus Christ are interchangeable.

Who will we bow to?

Who is the Shepherd?

Who is the Redeemer?

Who is the Savior?

Who is the Rock?

Who is the First and the Last?

Who gives life?

Whose works are they?

Who lives inside those saved?

Whose commands are they?

Who pours out the Holy Spirit?

Who raised Jesus from the dead?

 

[Yes]

You're conflating "God" with "Father."

Are you kidding?
The Bible says there is ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT HE IS THE FATHER.

"God" is not a Person of the Trinity. The "Father" is -- and the Father is distinct from the "Son." Look at the diagram I posted. the doctrine states that there are three distinct Persons, but one God.

You at first argued against me and said your trinity doctrine does NOT say they are distinct. Now, you are faced with your error. So then, what do you do? Do you apologize and admit you were wrong, or do you go on as if nothing happened?

Stop going on as if nothing happened, and admit your error.

There is only One God, and He is the Father. Since Jesus is God, then he is also the Father.

 

[sojourner]

Are you kidding?
The Bible says there is ONLY ONE GOD AND THAT HE IS THE FATHER.

We're not talking about the bible. We're talking about the doctrine, because that is what explains the Trinity.

You at first argued against me and said your trinity doctrine does NOT says they are distinct.

No. I didn't. Read post #192. I specifically said that they are distinct.

Now, you are faced with your error. So then, what do you do? Do you apologize and admit you were wrong, or do you go on as if nothing happened?

Now you are faced with your error. What do you do?

There is only One God, and He is the Father. Since Jesus is God, then he is also the Father.

How can Jesus be the Father, when he's the Son?! (Which is biblical) That's patently not what the Doctrine of the Trinity says.

 

[Windwalker]

Distinct means different. Jesus is not different than God and the Holy Spirit. They are EXACTLY the same.

The Holy Spirit died?

 

[Yes]

We're not talking about the bible.

I always talk about the Bible.

How can Jesus be the Father, when he's the Son?! (Which is biblical) That's patently not what the Doctrine of the Trinity says.

I explained what the trinity doctrine says.
I also explained why it is false.

 

[Yes]

The Holy Spirit died?

The Spirit cannot die.
Jesus died in the flesh. His Spirit did not die.
In fact, after Jesus died on the cross in his flesh, he went in his Spirit to prison/hell, where the spirits of those who died were.

We are flesh and spirit.
When we die in the flesh our spirits live on.

 

[Theodore A. Jones]

The Trinity is a half baked theological corruption of the original idea of the Jewish concept of the Logos (how it is defined according to Philo at least) that is filled with all kinds of ill-defined word games, illogical contradictions of both concept and what the text says, and distortions of grammar of the text, with a few doses of textual interpolation in both scripture and church father writings, all blended into one incoherent doctrine in which the official position is that it's "Too complicated for the human mind to understand".

Christology becomes much easier to unravel in its Arian form, which has no contradictions or fuzzy wordplay and is the closest to what the original probably was.

Many will say that the Trinity was always a part of Christianity and the JWs came along to deny this, but this is far from the truth.

I'd be happy to answer any specific question you may have on it.

Answers that are incorrect assumptions.

 

[Deidre]

When I was a Christian, the Trinity was the most beautiful imagery ever...that I could think of, to describe a god.
A triune god. One who is a Father, one who is a Spirit, one who is a Son. Three personas of a god, not three separate entities like many non-believers sometimes mistakenly think. And I can't help but wonder if it was meant for us to view ourselves in much a similar way...body/mind/spirit.

Something that is often overlooked with this doctrine, is that with the Trinity...all personas are co-equal. That is a fascinating thing to absorb!

 

[Yes]

When I was a Christian, the Trinity was the most beautiful imagery ever...that I could think of, to describe a god.
A triune god. One who is a Father, one who is a Spirit, one who is a Son. Three personas of a god, not three separate entities like many non-believers sometimes mistakenly think. And I can't help but wonder if it was meant for us to view ourselves in much a similar way...body/mind/spirit.

Something that is often overlooked with this doctrine, is that with the Trinity...all personas are co-equal. That is a fascinating thing to absorb!

Except that the "Trinity" doctrine SAYS they are SEPARATE and DIFERENT.

 

[Yes]

Read. The. Doctrine.

That is what sojourner said to my post where I said this about the trinity doctrine: "No way is Jesus distinct from the Father and the Holy Spirit. Jesus is not separate, and distinct (which means different) from the Father. God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are exactly the same." See post #197.

Sojourner was rude by telling me to read the doctrine, as if I had not. Then sojourner went on deceitfully as if not corrected, instead of admitting to be in error about the trinity doctrine.

 

[Desert Snake]

Except that the "Trinity" doctrine SAYS they are SEPARATE and DIFERENT.

Great! I don't think they are three separate entities. I've said that repeatedly.

Why are you arguing with me?

 

[Yes]

Apparently not well. Here's what Wikipedia says:

"'The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit' are not names for different parts of God, but one name for God[54] because three persons exist in God as one entity.[55] They cannot be separate from one another. Each person is understood as having the identical essence or nature, not merely similar natures. Three distinct Persons. They are not interchangeable. This diagram may help:

You posted information about the trinity doctrine which says God the Father and Jesus are NOT interchangeable.

I will prove easily that God the Father and Jesus Christ are interchangeable.

Who will we bow to?
Who is the Shepherd?
Who is the Redeemer?
Who is the Savior?
Who is the Rock?
Who is the First and the Last?
Who gives life?
Whose works are they?
Who lives inside those saved?
Whose commands are they?
Who pours out the Holy Spirit?
Who raised Jesus from the dead?

 

[Deidre]

Except that the "Trinity" doctrine SAYS they are SEPARATE and DIFERENT.

they are united in solidarity. making up one god.
separate as much as your arms and legs are not the same body parts and are separate from one another, but all make up one body.

that's how I meant it.

 

[Yes]

Great! I don't think they are three separate entities. I've said that repeatedly.

Why are you arguing with me?

Glad you do not think they are separate. Where was I arguing with you? Can you show me the post? Do you believe Jesus is God?

 

[Desert Snake]

Glad you do not think they are separate. Where was I arguing with you? Can you show me the post? Do you believe Jesus is God?

Well doesn't matter. Yes I think Jesus is God.
I think different churches might have different ideas what 'trinity' can mean though.

 

[Yes]

Well doesn't matter. Yes I think Jesus is God.
I think different churches might have different ideas what 'trinity' can mean though.

I went and found what we were arguing about. You would not say there are three. I do not understand why you will not say there are three.
As for the trinity...different churches that say they believe in the trinity doctrine all agree that they believe the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit are separate.

 

[Yes]

they are united in solidarity. making up one god.
separate as much as your arms and legs are not the same body parts and are separate from one another, but all make up one body.

that's how I meant it.

When you said trinity though, it is about a doctrine that claims they are separate and different.
The trinity doctrine does not make sense...it even claims it is not explainable.

There are three, and the three are One and the same.

 

[Deidre]

When you said trinity though, it is about a doctrine that claims they are separate and different.
The trinity doctrine does not make sense...it even claims it is not explainable.

There are three, and the three are One and the same.

well, I'm a former theist...so...lol
it is how I remember it, though.

when you believe, you just believe. you don't require everything to fit perfectly.
such is faith.