Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[Yes]

The Lord Jesus is God because He is the Son of God.
Not according to these verses.

Heb 1:8 But about the Son he says, “Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.

Ac 7:55 But he, being full of the Holy Spirit, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,

1Co 15:27 For, He put all things in subjection under his feet. But when he saith, All things are put in subjection, it is evident that he is excepted who did subject all things unto him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things have been subjected unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subjected to him that did subject all things unto him, that God may be all in all.

Mt 17:5 While he was yet speaking, behold, a bright cloud overshadowed them: and behold, a voice out of the cloud, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him.

Jesus is called a Son because that is what one is called when one comes from someone.

Jesus is God in the flesh but is called a Son because he came forth from God, and he came forth from Mary

 

[Yes]

I beleive if they are the same then you worship the body of Jesus, right?

Php 3:3 for we are the circumcision, who worship by the Spirit of God, and glory in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh:

Jesus is Spirit. We are to worship in spirit and in truth.

2 Corinthians 3:17Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom.

 

[Yes]

Here is another verse where you can clearly see the Trinity. If you say Trinity is against God then this verse not from God.

Ro 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you. But if any man hath not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The trinity doctrine is a man made doctrine not in the scriptures.

There are three, but the three are not reliant upon the false trinity doctrine.

 

[Yes]

This verse sure does show the triune God.
Spirit of God = Spirit of Christ

Good one JMC2!

You are telling JMC2 that he/she did good by defending the false trinity doctrine.

 

[Yes]

what are your thoughts on Jesus being Jehovah's master worker?

Matthew 23:11 The greatest among you will be your servant.

 

[katiemygirl]

You are telling JMC2 that he/she did good by defending the false trinity doctrine.

I don't pretend to understand the nature of the triune God. I only know that YHWH presents himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit throughout the Scriptures. I can't say the trinity doctrine is false. All I can say is the word isn't in the Bible. I can say with all confidence that Jesus is God, and so is the Holy Spirit.

 

[Yes]

I don't pretend to understand the nature of the triune God. I only know that YHWH presents himself as Father, Son and Holy Spirit throughout the Scriptures.

Right there, you rightly go against the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is not God the Son and the Holy Spirit. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is different and than God the Son and the Holy Spirit.

I can't say the trinity doctrine is false. All I can say is the word isn't in the Bible.

The word 'trinity' is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.

The only thing correct about the trinity doctrine is saying there are three.

I can say with all confidence that Jesus is God, and so is the Holy Spirit.

The Bible says there is only One God, and the He is the Father.

Since there is only One God and He is the Father, then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must also be the same God and Father.

 

[katiemygirl]

Right there, you rightly go against the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is not God the Son and the Holy Spirit. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is different and than God the Son and the Holy Spirit.
The word 'trinity' is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.
The only thing correct about the trinity doctrine is saying there are three.
The Bible says there is only One God, and the He is the Father.
Since there is only One God and He is the Father, then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must also be the same God and Father.

I really don't know what the trinity doctrine says. I've never read what it is precisely. Seems like different people have different opinions about it. So I'll just stick with my understanding that God presents himself in Scripture as Father, Son and Holy Spirit until the Holy Spirit leads me to deeper understanding. Meanwhile I'll let others argue over it.

 

[Yes]

I really don't know what the trinity doctrine says. I've never read what it is precisely. Seems like different people have different opinions about it. So I'll just stick with my understanding that God presents himself in Scripture as Father, Son and Holy Spirit until the Holy Spirit leads me to deeper understanding. Meanwhile I'll let others argue over it.

You did encourage someone, a trinitarian believer who was going against me for saying Jesus was the same as God the Father.

I will continue to argue, vigorously refute, sharply dispute, persuade, oppose, defend, confirm, command, preach, teach, instruct, rebuke, encourage, and contend.

 

[Desert Snake]

Hi Disciple,
I don't pretend to understand the triune God, not for a minute. I just know that YHWH is presented to us in three different ways throughout the Scriptures. I don't like the word trinity. I don't use it. I think it has done nothing but divide the body of Christ for centuries, and I'm sure that can't be pleasing to Him. I believe God wants us to study the topic, but I highly doubt He wants us to fight and argue about it to the point where we divide. That's my $0.02 worth! For me, this forum is a form of study. It causes me to look at both sides.

Hi @katiemygirl
That's interesting, however I'm not on a ''side'', and I'm not arguing from a point of confusion or ignorance. I understand your point, though, it does take some time to slog through the 'trinity' ideas for and against in order to figure out exactly what the debate is.

 

[cataway]

Right there, you rightly go against the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is not God the Son and the Holy Spirit. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is different and than God the Son and the Holy Spirit.



The word 'trinity' is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.

The only thing correct about the trinity doctrine is saying there are three.


The Bible says there is only One God, and the He is the Father.

Since there is only One God and He is the Father, then Jesus and the Holy Spirit must also be the same God and Father.

there is a problem with your logic, it does not work

 

[katiemygirl]

Hi @katiemygirl
That's interesting, however I'm not on a ''side'', and I'm not arguing from a point of confusion or ignorance. I understand your point, though, it does take some time to slog through the 'trinity' ideas for and against in order to figure out exactly what the debate is.

Agree! All I can do is continue to read and study God's word, and let the Holy Spirit deepen my understanding.

 

[JM2C]

John 1:1 is so easily explained by going back to the Greek.

The title "god" (Greek theos) is not exclusive to the Almighty.

“God” [SG2316]

Ro 9:5 whose are the fathers, and of whom is Christ as concerning the flesh, who is over all, God [SG2316] blessed for ever. Amen.

It simply means "mighty or powerful one".

The way that Greek indicated when theos was pertaining to YHWH was to use the definite article "ho" (the)

So if you read John 1:1 in Greek there are two who are classified as "gods" in that verse, but only one is "ho theos" (THE God) the other is a divine mighty one...but he is not "THE God".


So the Word was a god-like being who was "with" the Almighty, but he was not Almighty God.


It was the Word who became flesh, not THE God.


Verse 18 calls the Word "the only begotten god". Can the Almighty be "begotten"?

What we are arguing here is the Deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, right?

So, this “mighty or powerful one” or “a divine mighty one” is the “Word” that was with “The God” [SG2316], the Almighty God in verses 1 and 2, right? And this “WORD” according to verse 1 “is God” or “the Word is God” and your interpretation of this “WORD” is a “mighty or powerful one” or “a divine mighty one” that John interpreted as “God” [SG2316].

Why a Jew like John would intentionally misinterpret the “WORD” as “GOD” [SG2316] if he knew, as a Jew, that in the OT in Exodus it clearly says “You shall have no other/different gods before me. –Ex 20:3”?

It does not make any sense at all unless John knew exactly the deity of the Lord Jesus Christ, and that is, the “Word is God [SG2316]” because He is the Son of God, the only Begotten “Son of God” and that makes Him “GOD”, otherwise this “mighty or powerful one”or “adivine mighty one” according to you, if He is not “God”then He is a different god that God have forbidden the Jews in Exodus 20:3.

If we go to Jn 12:41 “Isaiah said this because he saw Jesus’ glory and spoke about him.”

This is a reference to Isaiah 6:1-4. In this verse John clearly expressed the Lord Jesus Christ ties to “Yahweh” [H3378]. In Isaiah 6:1 Isaiah says he saw the Lord [H3378], the Sovereign Lord [H151] and John identified this Sovereign Lord [H151] with or as the Lord Jesus Christ in John 12:41.

 

[JM2C]

Jesus is called a Son because that is what one is called when one comes from someone.

Jesus is God in the flesh but is called a Son because he came forth from God, and he came forth from Mary

Please do not edit my replies to your post.

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The trinity doctrine is false because it says Jesus is God but that Jesus is not the Father.

The Lord Jesus is God because He is the Son of God.

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Jesus IS God, and since Jesus is God, then he is also the Father, because there is only One God and He is the Father.

Not according to these verses.

 

[JM2C]

The trinity doctrine is a man made doctrine not in the scriptures.

There are three, but the three are not reliant upon the false trinity doctrine.

Oneness theology is a false doctrine. You can't prove your oneness theology with any verse in the bible..

Trinity is not a man made doctrine. You grew into it realizing that in your Christian life that there is actually a Trinity, but you did not force yourself into believing in the Trinity like other doctrines. IOW, I did not start with the knowledge of the Trinity. It was God who gave me this knowledge. I did not join a cult, like yours, where there is a pattern or systematic theology that one must follow.
Instead of following a formal creedal statement of a theological system, like yours, the scriptures itself gave it to us/Trinitarians in fragments, not in formulated definitions, but in fragmentary allusions, and from there we harmonized the scriptures into an organic unity and only then we can know its true meaning.

How can you grasp something that surpasses knowledge or beyond comprehension and be filled with it at the same time?

The things to be revealed by GOD are "unsearchable" because they are beyond the grasp of human knowledge.

JER 33:3 ‘ Call to Me and I will answer you, and I will tell you great and mighty things, which you do not know.’

 

[Yes]

there is a problem with your logic, it does not work

All you are doing is denying the truth and giving your false opinion.

YOUR trinity doctrine says that they CANNOT explain their doctrine.

Your trinity doctrine says that Jesus is God but not the One and only God who is the Father.

 

[Yes]

Please do not edit my replies to your post.

I do not edit other people's posts.
I do not have to respond to everything you say.
I do not take what you say and change it.
Please do not falsely accuse.

 

[JM2C]

You are telling JMC2 that he/she did good by defending the false trinity doctrine.

Trinity is not a false doctrine like Oneness UPCI [25mil members], JW, INC, 7TH DAY and others. These are cults. They follow their leaders or whatever their human leaders tell them to do.

Mt 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

 

[JM2C]

Right there, you rightly go against the trinity doctrine. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is not God the Son and the Holy Spirit. The trinity doctrine says that God the Father is different and than God the Son and the Holy Spirit.




The word 'trinity' is not in the Bible, nor is the trinity doctrine.

is oneness in the bible?

 

[Yes]

Trinity is not a false doctrine like Oneness UPCI [25mil members], JW, INC, 7TH DAY and others. These are cults. They follow their leaders or whatever their human leaders tell them to do.

I am not a Oneness believer, such as the Pentecostals.

The Bible says God is One.

You have a sorry attempt at defending your false doctrine.

Instead of merely stating some false denominations beliefs as mine, why don't you reply and address what I said your false doctrine says?

Mt 15:14 Leave them; they are blind guides. If a blind man leads a blind man, both will fall into a pit.”

You are in a pit with the Catholics and all the other false denominations who preach the trinity doctrine.