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Can someone explain the Trinity please...

Kolibri

Kolibri

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moorea944 said:
1 Tim 6 is talking about God and Jesus. Verse 16 is God who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see.
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verse 14 has all of these terms applying to Jesus alone. Here I'll quote:

"Before God, who preserves all things alive, and Christ Jesus, who as a witness made the fine public declaration before Pontius Pilate, I give you orders to observe the commandment in a spotless and irreprehensible way until the manifestation of our Lord Jesus Christ, which the happy and only Potentate will show in its own appointed times. He is the King of those who rule as kings and the Lord of those who rule as lords, (Re 17:14; 19:16) the one along having immortality, (Heb 7:15,16) who dwells in unapproachable light, (Re 1:16) whom no man has seen or can see. (John 14:19) To him be the honor and eternal might. Amen." - 1 Timothy 6:13-16

In comparison to other humans that rule as kings and as lords, Jesus himself it "the happy and only Potentate." (Da 7:14; Ro 6:9)
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
moorea944 said:
No one is insulting anyone. But your missing out on so much in the prophet books.
[Jesus will then take His kingdom/the saved back to heaven with Him. He will hand the kingdom over to His Father.]
The bible knows nothing about heaven going. That is false doctrine. Everything is on earth. "And the Lord will be King over all the earth forever and ever."
At the end of the thousand years on earth, Jesus hands over the kingdom on earth to his Father and God will be King again. God was king along time ago with Israel. God will be king onces again. Jesus will "still be" subject to his Father. Not co-equal or as God. But subject.
The bible is about God. Though Jesus is a big part of the bible, yes. But it is about Yahweh. We are in His creation.
Jesus will be king on earth when he comes back to set up his father's kingdom. Everything is on earth, not heaven. The bible know nothing about heaven going. At all....
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You insult me by suggesting I don't read or study the OT. That is offensive. I'm asking you to stop. You do not know me. You don't know what I do or don't do. Just because you disagree with my views does not give you the right to attack me personally. I would very much like to have a debate about the topic, but I will not engage in trading insults. So please stop now.
 
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katiemygirl

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["moorea944, post: 4139822, member: 16938"]
Katie said:
[Jesus will then take His kingdom/the saved back to heaven with Him. He will hand the kingdom over to His Father.]

Moore said:
The bible knows nothing about heaven going. That is false doctrine. Everything is on earth. "And the Lord will be King over all the earth forever and ever."
At the end of the thousand years on earth, Jesus hands over the kingdom on earth to his Father and God will be King again. God was king along time ago with Israel. God will be king onces again. Jesus will "still be" subject to his Father. Not co-equal or as God. But subject.
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The Bible says:
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes
the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death.27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all. (1 Cor. 15)

Where in this passage is a thousand years mentioned?

Verse 24 says that in the end, He (Jesus) delivers the kingdom to God the Father. Where is the Father?

Can you answer these two questions please?
 
Kolibri

Kolibri

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katiemygirl said:
Where in this passage is a thousand years mentioned?
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It is not in 1 Corinthians 15:20-27.

It is found at Revelation 20:4. The very last part says "And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years." It gets repeated at the end of verse 6: "but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years."
 
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katiemygirl

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Kolibri said:
It is not in 1 Corinthians 15:20-27.

It is found at Revelation 20:4. The very last part says "And they came to life and ruled as kings with the Christ for 1,000 years." It gets repeated at the end of verse 6: "but they will be priests of God and of the Christ, and they will rule as kings with him for the 1,000 years."
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The kingdom is here now. The thousand years began at Jesus' ascension. Christians are priests in the kingdom now.

1000 years is not literal. It is figurative language as is all of chapter 20. It is symbolic. It's whatever time span God desires it to be.
 
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moorea944

moorea944

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katiemygirl said:
You insult me by suggesting I don't read or study the OT. That is offensive. I'm asking you to stop. You do not know me. You don't know what I do or don't do. Just because you disagree with my views does not give you the right to attack me personally. I would very much like to have a debate about the topic, but I will not engage in trading insults. So please stop now.
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Like I said before, no one is insulting anyone.. Let's move on.
 
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katiemygirl

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="moorea944, post: 4139771, member: 16938"]
Katie said, "There are verses which show the kingdom is here now."

moorea said, "Show me verses on that one...."
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You asked that I cite some verses which show the kingdom is present at this time. Here ya go!

Paul and the Colossian Christians were in the kingdom. That could not be unless the kingdom was in existence.

13 He has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son of His love (Col. 1:13)

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John and the Christians he wrote to were companions in the kingdom of Jesus Christ. They could not be companions in the kingdom is the kingdom did not exist.

9 I, John, both your brother and companion in the tribulation and kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was on the island that is called Patmos for the word of God and for the testimony of Jesus Christ. (Rev. 1:9)

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Jesus made US to be a kingdom and priests to serve His God and Father.

4 John,
To the seven churches in the province of Asia:
Grace and peace to you from him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spiritsa]" before his throne, 5 and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, 6 and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Father—to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen. (Rev. 1:5-6)

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People in the first century were receiving a kingdom). Therefore, it must have existed then

28 Therefore, since we are receiving a kingdom that cannot be shaken, let us be thankful, and so worship God acceptably with reverence and awe, 29 for our “God is a consuming fire.” (Hebrews 12:28-29)

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The kingdom must exist now because Jesus is now reigning. He will not begin to reign when He returns, but He will reign till then. Then He will give the kingdom over to the Father.

24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,” it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. (1 Cor. 15:24-27

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Some standing before Jesus would not die till they saw the kingdom come. If that kingdom still has not come, some 2000 years later, there are some very old people around!

9 And he said to them, “Truly I tell you, some who are standing here will not taste death before they see that the kingdom of God has come with power.” (Mark 9:1)

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Desert Snake

Veteran Member
Jesus already rules the earth and the heavens. That being said, we have freewill; just because we can worship the son and the father, /same Entity, likewise, doesn't mean we are defacto saved through being in the general kingdom.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
disciple said:
Jesus already rules the earth and the heavens. That being said, we have freewill; just because we can worship the son and the father, /same Entity, likewise, doesn't mean we are defacto saved through being in the general kingdom.
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One must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom.
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Brandon Brossett

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It sounds like y'all are trying to make the kingdom of God a tangible earthly kingdom sorry to tell but Jesus said my kingdom is not of this world. Flesh and blood cannot inherit Kingdom of God that is why we have to be born of spirit
 
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Desert Snake

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katiemygirl said:
One must be born of water and the Spirit to enter the kingdom.
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Right, but that is a very broad statement. Just because someone is baptized, for example, doesn't mean they are saved. That's my point. It isn't as simple as saying someone is a ''Christian'' in some general sense.
Anyways, this is sort of off topic. No one is saying everyone is the body of Christ. Did I misunderstand you? Not sure what your point is..
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
disciple said:
Is there a caveat here? The Bible does not give specific authority of baptism or church 'rules'; so, though you may be correct, this is a very broad statement.
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Jesus gave specifics. He said if you weren't born of water and the Spirit, you couldn't enter the kingdom. Jesus gave authority for baptism. He instituted it. He commanded it, in fact.
 
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Desert Snake

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katiemygirl said:
Jesus gave specifics. He said if you weren't born of water and the Spirit, you couldn't enter the kingdom. Jesus gave authority for baptism. He instituted it. He commanded it, in fact.
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Actually, suppose Jesus commanded baptism. He did not give specific authority to any church or person in which that ''baptism'' would be more legit than any other baptism.
 
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