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Can someone explain the Trinity please...

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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
cataway said:
Exodus 33:20
“You are not able to see my face, because no man may see me and yet live.”

to see God would mean death. no man ever died looking at Jesus, =Jesus is not God.
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In Genesis 18, Abraham hosts three visitors who are identified as two angels and the Lord ("Jehovah" in the NWT). Abraham spoke with Jehovah, ate with Him, and even bargained with Him. If your argument above is true, then Abraham should have been dead also, or Jehovah is not God.

In Genesis 32, Jacob not only saw God's face, but he wrestled with Him. Jacob identifies it as such by naming the place Peniel which means "The Face of God" and he says "I have seen God face to face, and my life has been preserved."

If you interpret Exodus 33:20 as meaning "no one can look at any manifestation of God in any way and live," you have some huge difficulties with other passages. If, on the other hand, Exodus 33:20 means that no one can look upon God in His holiness and righteousness and live, then it is possible that Jesus, in His time on earth, only exposed His humanity to His followers, and not His glory , much as Philippians chapter 2 states. And, just as Jehovah came to Abraham in a human form, Jesus' human form allowed the people around Him to interact with Him.

You cannot dispute the deity of Jesus because people didn't drop dead when looking upon Him. If you did, then Jehovah isn't God either, since Abraham saw Him face to face and still lived another seventy-five years to tell about it.
 
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cataway

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katiemygirl said:
You cannot dispute the deity of Jesus because people didn't drop dead when looking upon Him.
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yes I can . even as jesus was a representative for Jehovah , meaning he spoke for Jehovah ,what these men had seen was a representative of God ,there know as angles . to believe otherwise puts a contradiction in the bible .
 
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cataway said:
yes I can . even as jesus was a representative for Jehovah , meaning he spoke for Jehovah ,what these men had seen was a representative of God ,there know as angles . to believe otherwise puts a contradiction in the bible .
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Do you believe the Holy Spirit is God?

THE BIBLE says that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.
 
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katiemygirl

CHRISTIAN
cataway said:
yes I can . even as jesus was a representative for Jehovah , meaning he spoke for Jehovah ,what these men had seen was a representative of God ,there know as angles . to believe otherwise puts a contradiction in the bible .
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Please go to any Hebrew interlinear. Look at verses 1, 3, 13, 17, 20, 22 and more from Gen. 18.

Abraham is speaking to Yaweh. There were two angels and Yaweh.

Yaweh was in the form of of man, but He was still Yaweh. And Abraham didn't drop dead on the spot when he saw Him.

That has to make you think about exactly what it means when it says anyone seeing God's face would die.

I believe this is talking about seeing God in His glory and righteousness, as He would appear in heaven.
 
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Desert Snake

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Yes said:
You are afraid to say there and think this is good.
There are three, and the three are One and the same.
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I honestly don't really know what you are talking about. First off, your saying the Spirit literally is Jesus, I don't believe that. Not really sure why you are so focused on this 'three' thing. Anyways, can't figure out what your trying to say.
 
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Desert Snake

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'three' is just describing Father, Son, and Spirit. If you think the father manifested as the 'son', Jesus, then you aren't really saying 'three', are you.
 
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disciple said:
I honestly don't really know what you are talking about. First off, your saying the Spirit literally is Jesus, I don't believe that. Not really sure why you are so focused on this 'three' thing. Anyways, can't figure out what your trying to say.
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You are afraid to say there are three.

There are three, and the three are One and the same.

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God and is therefore the Father God?

Do you believe the scriptures that say Jesus is the Spirit?
 
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cataway

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Yes said:
Jesus is the Spirit. Revelation 2:7, 8, 11, 17, 29; 3:6, 13, 22; 14:13; 22:17 all tell us Jesus is the Spirit.

See also 2 Corinthians 3:17, 18, and 1 Corinthians 15:45.
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yes Jesus is a spirit . before Jesus came to earth he was a spirit . after his death he returned to heaven and is now a spirit . that is no revelation.
how ever to call him The Holy Spirit is not accrete. angles of God can also be called holy , they are also spirit .
 
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disciple said:
'three' is just describing Father, Son, and Spirit. If you think the father manifested as the 'son', Jesus, then you aren't really saying 'three', are you.
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There are three, and the three are all God revealed to us in three.
 
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cataway said:
yes Jesus is a spirit . before Jesus came to earth he was a spirit . after his death he returned to heaven and is now a spirit . that is no revelation.
how ever to call him The Holy Spirit is not accrete. angles of God can also be called holy , they are also spirit .
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The Bible says there is ONE SPIRIT.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Spirit of God. Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.
 
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moorea944

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Yes said:
The Bible says there is ONE SPIRIT.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Spirit of God. Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.
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How do you figure that? Wasnt Jesus conceived by the Holy Spirit? Wasnt the Holy Spirit here with God before Jesus was born?
 
cataway

cataway

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Yes said:
The Bible says there is ONE SPIRIT.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit. Jesus is the Spirit of God. Jesus' Spirit is God's Spirit.
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yeah it does .
19 For there is an eventuality as respects the sons of mankind and an eventuality as respects the beast, and they have the same eventuality. As the one dies, so the other dies; and they all have but one spirit, so that there is no superiority of the man over the beast, for everything is vanity.

you may ask your self what spirit are you referring to
 
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