Can someone explain the Trinity please...

[truthofscripture]

I believe you should not go by appearances. I don't believe the Holy Spirit to be a corrupting influence.

I believe that to be true but that does not mean that JW's are learning correctly.

My experience is that most people and particulary JW's don't admit they are wrong even when it is proven that they are but I beleive I can show you where you go wrong.

I believe most debaters would view this as hubris but I simply believe that is your belief whether valid or not.

I believe you have not had enough experience with me to say "never" and I did not say it. I just believe having the Holy Spirit guarantees that I will be right most of the time.

I believe you have no basis for determining likelihood in my case.

I believe you have things backward. Your wrong view of scripture does not mean that I don't have the Holy Spirit but my right view of scripture means that I do have the Holy Spirit. Notice that you haven't claimed to have the Holy Spirit as your guide in understanding scripture.

I bel;ieve you have no evidence to support this view and I deny it.

I believe it is difficult to ascerttain what you mean by this. I certainly believe there are other people who have the Holy Spirit as guides.

I believe you are calling the Holy Spirit a false guide.

No one who is part of a religion with a church and a clergy and with their own doctrines has an honest heart according to God, therefore there is no usage of holy spirit upon them. Yes, I do have the ability to know this.

 

[sojourner]

One should believe everything in the inspired word of God. Most English translations of the scriptures, however, are NOT the inspired word of God. They are FILLED with mistranslations, deliberately, to deceive the reader. They are also filled with pagan traditions.

Which translation do you recommend, then, that does not have these "deceptions?"

 

[sojourner]

No one who is part of a religion with a church and a clergy and with their own doctrines has an honest heart according to God, therefore there is no usage of holy spirit upon them. Yes, I do have the ability to know this.

No you don't. Nor do you have the authority to make that claim with any credibility.

 

[truthofscripture]

Which translation do you recommend, then, that does not have these "deceptions?"

Pick one that doesn't use hell, ghost, or cross, one that doesn't refer to anything leading one to believe in the false and pagan trinity doctrine, and one that doesn't include the word church, as those are the worst mistranslations.

 

[sojourner]

Pick one that doesn't use hell, ghost, or cross, one that doesn't refer to anything leading one to believe in the false and pagan trinity doctrine, and one that doesn't include the word church, as those are the worst mistranslations.

Provide some choices.

 

[Muffled]

No one who is part of a religion with a church and a clergy and with their own doctrines has an honest heart according to God, therefore there is no usage of holy spirit upon them. Yes, I do have the ability to know this.

I don't believe this is according to God but is according to you.

I believe the conclusion is false because the premise is false.

I believe you will have to prove it since I find it lacking credibility.

 

[Muffled]

Pick one that doesn't use hell, ghost, or cross, one that doesn't refer to anything leading one to believe in the false and pagan trinity doctrine, and one that doesn't include the word church, as those are the worst mistranslations.

I believe a translation lacking those things is a false translation.

I believe people who don't believe in the Trinity are the true Pagans because they substitute their own superstitions for the word of God.

 

[truthofscripture]

I don't believe this is according to God but is according to you.

I believe the conclusion is false because the premise is false.

I believe you will have to prove it since I find it lacking credibility.

It is straight from the scriptures.

 

[Muffled]

It is straight from the scriptures.

I don't believe you are capable of doing anything straight from scripture but you are welcome to provide some and make the attempt. Maybe you will prove me wrong. I would enjoy that.

 

[sojourner]

It is straight from the scriptures.

...straight from a translation of the scriptures...

 

[Desert Snake]

No one who is part of a religion with a church and a clergy and with their own doctrines has an honest heart according to God, therefore there is no usage of holy spirit upon them. Yes, I do have the ability to know this.

Best case scenario, this is a total exaggeration. Worst case scenario, it's completely incorrect. Basically , it isn't true, and there is nothing in Scripture that states this, either. You are taking an aspect of ''problem'' in Xianity, and making it into some 'rule', that condemns people unfairly.

 

[truthofscripture]

Best case scenario, this is a total exaggeration. Worst case scenario, it's completely incorrect. Basically , it isn't true, and there is nothing in Scripture that states this, either. You are taking an aspect of ''problem'' in Xianity, and making it into some 'rule', that condemns people unfairly.

First of all, Jehovah does not condemn anyone unfairly. Secondly, there is no exaggeration nor is it incorrect. It IS true. There is plenty in the scriptures that indicate this. Galations says all sects/divisions/denominations are works of the flesh. Revelation says all such religions are false and are Babylon the Great and will be destroyed. It isn't Jehovah who condemns them as you say "unfairly", it is the individual who participates in pagan and false religions. Like it or not, that is the scriptural viewpoint. No amount of arguing or saying it isn't fair can change Jehovah's mind and view on things. Look at religions. Not one teaches ONLY what is in the scriptures, and not one requires all of it's participants to adhere totally to them. Not one teaches the same things as any other religion either. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT in their beliefs and teachings. They are ALL different from the scriptures. They are all false. It is the one true faith that Jesus taught that is the ONLY acceptable "religion" in God's eyes. Nothing else according to Him is clean or righteous. Many of the members of these religions aren't aware of these things, but it's no matter. They should learn them. They should check the scriptures to see if what ANYONE or any religion tells them, to see if what they say is true, and no one does that. In fact, most use falsely translated Bibles to boot. So they are unable to check for accuracy. No matter there either. They should find out if their Bible is accurate, and no one does that.

 

[sojourner]

Like it or not, that is the scriptural viewpoint.

No it isn't. It's your scriptural viewpoint.

 

[Muffled]

Best case scenario, this is a total exaggeration. Worst case scenario, it's completely incorrect. Basically , it isn't true, and there is nothing in Scripture that states this, either. You are taking an aspect of ''problem'' in Xianity, and making it into some 'rule', that condemns people unfairly.

I don't believe they care about fairness or truth but simply for saying hooray for our view.

 

[Muffled]

First of all, Jehovah does not condemn anyone unfairly. Secondly, there is no exaggeration nor is it incorrect. It IS true. There is plenty in the scriptures that indicate this. Galations says all sects/divisions/denominations are works of the flesh. Revelation says all such religions are false and are Babylon the Great and will be destroyed. It isn't Jehovah who condemns them as you say "unfairly", it is the individual who participates in pagan and false religions. Like it or not, that is the scriptural viewpoint. No amount of arguing or saying it isn't fair can change Jehovah's mind and view on things. Look at religions. Not one teaches ONLY what is in the scriptures, and not one requires all of it's participants to adhere totally to them. Not one teaches the same things as any other religion either. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT in their beliefs and teachings. They are ALL different from the scriptures. They are all false. It is the one true faith that Jesus taught that is the ONLY acceptable "religion" in God's eyes. Nothing else according to Him is clean or righteous. Many of the members of these religions aren't aware of these things, but it's no matter. They should learn them. They should check the scriptures to see if what ANYONE or any religion tells them, to see if what they say is true, and no one does that. In fact, most use falsely translated Bibles to boot. So they are unable to check for accuracy. No matter there either. They should find out if their Bible is accurate, and no one does that.

I believe first of all that you are not Jehovah. I don't even believe you have the Paraclete but you can try to prove me wrong on that. I do have the Paraclete so I can judge and my judgement is that you do not have the truth. So what this boils down to is that you are painted with your own brush as divided from those who have the Holy Spirit because you don't and you go by the flesh.

 

[truthofscripture]

I believe first of all that you are not Jehovah. I don't even believe you have the Paraclete but you can try to prove me wrong on that. I do have the Paraclete so I can judge and my judgement is that you do not have the truth. So what this boils down to is that you are painted with your own brush as divided from those who have the Holy Spirit because you don't and you go by the flesh.

Paraclete is not a word that was used in the Greek texts that exist. It's a word added by Christendom, and I assure you, Jehovah does NOT use holy spirit on you, or you would know the truth. Satan veils the truth, and if Jehovah sees in you an honest heart, He unveils the meaning of scripture to that one. If He doesn't see that total love for Jehovah, and that total desire to become His friend and do his entire will, He won't use holy spirit to help. You can use "judgement" all you want, but you are judging based on the beliefs of false religion, and on falsely translated versions of the Bible. Suit yourself and argue all you want, but you cannot change God's purposes and requirements. No "religion" meets those requirements. In fact, all such religions are an abomination to Jehovah, and all will be totally destroyed in the final battle and tribulation that is shortly coming.

 

[Muffled]

Paraclete is not a word that was used in the Greek texts that exist. It's a word added by Christendom, and I assure you, Jehovah does NOT use holy spirit on you, or you would know the truth. Satan veils the truth, and if Jehovah sees in you an honest heart, He unveils the meaning of scripture to that one. If He doesn't see that total love for Jehovah, and that total desire to become His friend and do his entire will, He won't use holy spirit to help. You can use "judgement" all you want, but you are judging based on the beliefs of false religion, and on falsely translated versions of the Bible. Suit yourself and argue all you want, but you cannot change God's purposes and requirements. No "religion" meets those requirements. In fact, all such religions are an abomination to Jehovah, and all will be totally destroyed in the final battle and tribulation that is shortly coming.

I believe you have never seen the Greek texts. Paraclete is a Greek word. Most translations try to put an English word in its place like "counsellor" or "comforter."

I don't believe you have any proof of that and what do you think it was added to. It isn't in any translation that I have seen.

I believe you think you know the truth but do not and therefore it is I who have the Paraclete and not you.

I believe I judge by the Paraclete which goes to show again that you do not have Him or you wouldn't be making false accusations that have no basis.

I believe you need to be honest with yourself and re-xamine where your concept came from. Did God reveal something to you while you were reading or did you just get a teaching about it. I believe I have the Paraclete with me speaking through me and seeing scripture for what it is. I don't usually have to have things revealed to me at this point because my mind knows what the Paraclete knows.

 

[paarsurrey]

Can someone explain the Trinity please...

Trinity is mythical and false; it needs no explanation.

Regards

 

[Desert Snake]

First of all, Jehovah does not condemn anyone unfairly. Secondly, there is no exaggeration nor is it incorrect. It IS true. There is plenty in the scriptures that indicate this. Galations says all sects/divisions/denominations are works of the flesh. Revelation says all such religions are false and are Babylon the Great and will be destroyed. It isn't Jehovah who condemns them as you say "unfairly", it is the individual who participates in pagan and false religions. Like it or not, that is the scriptural viewpoint. No amount of arguing or saying it isn't fair can change Jehovah's mind and view on things. Look at religions. Not one teaches ONLY what is in the scriptures, and not one requires all of it's participants to adhere totally to them. Not one teaches the same things as any other religion either. THEY ARE ALL DIFFERENT in their beliefs and teachings. They are ALL different from the scriptures. They are all false. It is the one true faith that Jesus taught that is the ONLY acceptable "religion" in God's eyes. Nothing else according to Him is clean or righteous. Many of the members of these religions aren't aware of these things, but it's no matter. They should learn them. They should check the scriptures to see if what ANYONE or any religion tells them, to see if what they say is true, and no one does that. In fact, most use falsely translated Bibles to boot. So they are unable to check for accuracy. No matter there either. They should find out if their Bible is accurate, and no one does that.

And I thought I was cynical.

 

[sojourner]

Can someone explain the Trinity please...

Trinity is mythical and false; it needs no explanation.

Regards

Mythical it may be, and that's fine, since a myth is an illustration of truth.
But false? There's nothing about the Trinity that is incongruent with what the church has believed about God since its beginning. And since theology is the province of the church, it's the church that determines what God is or is not doctrinally.