psychoslice
Veteran Member
As they say, the truth hurts, and you know that don't you ??? yea ha ha..LOL That is a weird statement coming from someone who doesn't even believe in God.
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Can someone explain the Trinity please...
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JayJayDee
Avid JW Bible Student
It wasn't the truth so how can it hurt?
How can you say we don't understand the trinity when you don't even believe in God?
Digging yourself into a hole psychoslice? You must be bored this evening. LOL
psychoslice
Veteran Member
Ha, your only saying that because you have nothing else to say, you are so programmed by your wonderful religion, the JW's, they have you by the balls, but you cannot see that, can you, you poor thing.It wasn't the truth so how can it hurt?
How can you say we don't understand the trinity when you don't even believe in God?
Digging yourself into a hole psychoslice? You must be bored this evening. LOL
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
When we say "inferior", it does'nt mean that Jesus is lesser in nature as God (divine). His divinity cannot be lesser. A human nature was added to accomplish his mission of salvation.
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marcosmasliaev
Member
Trinity is a human invention.
Jesus is the most higher level spirit who was born on earth. God is the Uncreated, always exists. My trinity is 1) God, 2) creatures and 3) universal cosmic fluid.
Pegg
Jehovah our God is One
There are two principles in the bible which make belief in the trinity impossible for those who know the principles.
The first principle is found in Deuteronomy 6;4 “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
He always was One. Never is the God of the bible described as being a triune.
Secondly, is the principle found at Exodus 34:14 You must not bow down to another god,+ for Jehovah is known for* requiring exclusive devotion.* Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.
He required 'exclusive' devotion and no other god was to be worshiped besides him. If he truly was a trinity, then he would not have required this of his worshipers. There would have been permission to worship his two other faces.
These two principles alone discount the trinity doctrine and they are unchangeable.
The first principle is found in Deuteronomy 6;4 “Listen, O Israel: Jehovah our God is one Jehovah
He always was One. Never is the God of the bible described as being a triune.
Secondly, is the principle found at Exodus 34:14 You must not bow down to another god,+ for Jehovah is known for* requiring exclusive devotion.* Yes, he is a God who requires exclusive devotion.
He required 'exclusive' devotion and no other god was to be worshiped besides him. If he truly was a trinity, then he would not have required this of his worshipers. There would have been permission to worship his two other faces.
These two principles alone discount the trinity doctrine and they are unchangeable.
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
Hi marcos,
Are you familiar with the narrative in the baptism of Jesus Christ?
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marcosmasliaev
Member
Hi Joshua. Yes, he was in Jordan river by John Baptist, then it was listen a voice from above. People says it was holy spirit.
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
Hi Marcos,
Matt. 3:16-17
16. And after being baptized, Jesus (Son) went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) descending as a dove, and coming upon Him,
17. and behold, a voice (Father) out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
Why I ask you regarding the baptism of Jesus is for you to see and understand why we believe in the trinitarian doctrine. Trinity is God exists in three persons as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. The existence of the three was clearly seen here. There is the Father who have spoken, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased." The Son, Jesus Christ standing to be baptized, and the Holy Spirit who descends as a dove. These explain their existence.
Now , the next part for the trinitarian doctrine is about their deity (God), the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
Thanks
marcosmasliaev
Member
Dear Yoshua,
I know this thinking, I respect those who think this is the true. For me everything In the universe is a son of God. Jesus was the highest spirit In this planet, and He keeps helping us. For me trinity is a human invention. Again, I respect your point of view.
Best Regards,
Marcos.
JesusBeliever
Active Member
Scripture explains it like this:
"To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation." 2Co 5:19
"Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you." Luk 17:21
May I also add, you named the thread "Can someone explain the trinity please..."
And this causes me to ask this question, Why is someone who believes Jesus was God revealed in human flesh automatically regarded as a Trinity believer? Because despite personally believing that Jesus is God I don't regard myself as a Trinitarian because I find it's description confusing. Specifically the part about "3 persons"? Scripture tells me that the Spirit we are baptised with is ONE SPIRIT:
"For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit." 1Co 12:13
However Scripture refers to this ONE SPIRIT in a variety of ways as shown below:
"But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness. But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you. Rom 8:9-11
These verses alone speak wonders if one would just chew on these a while. But there are a few others I'd like to mention:
"And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father." Gal 4:6
"He therefore that despiseth, despiseth not man, but God, who hath also given unto us his holy Spirit." 1Th 4:8
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory." 1Ti 3:16
"If ye be reproached for the name of Christ, happy are ye; for the spirit of glory and of God resteth upon you: on their part he is evil spoken of, but on your part he is glorified." 1Pe 4:14
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Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe you have no evidence for this concept. I believe the trinity is a Biblical concept.
I believe that might be fun but it is not a Biblical concept.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is an opinion that you have not proven.
I believe God has described Himself that way in the Bible in John 14.
JesusBeliever
Active Member
Hi all,
Sorry I'm just replying to a verse I quoted in my own post which I spotted while I was scrolling down.
Consider this verse. Actually, on second thoughts I need to consider it more myself as I'm reminded of these verses:
For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 1 Co 2:11-12
It's probably beside the point but it seems to me that the "spirit of man" is being equated with the "spirit of the world".
I was about to ask if this means that Christians have 2 spirits dwelling in us but then I was reminded of this verse:
"The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:" Rom 8:16
Is this why Jesus was able to say:
It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true. I am one that bear witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me. Joh 8:17-18
This is most interesting indeed and would seem on the surface to make Jesus a false witness, referring to himself and the Father as 2 men. But could it be that Jesus is revealing to us just another way in which the Law was to be interpreted under the New Covenant? That's a question I'll have to leave for tomorrow because it's bedtime.
Sweet Dreams everybody!
Mountain_Climber
Active Member
And if I might be pardoned for adding my two cents worth here, this does not mean that obeisance cannot be delivered to a lessor god.
Deuteronomy 28:14 "You must not deviate from all the words that I am commanding you today, to the right or to the left, to walk after other gods to serve them." (NWT 2013)
The key is that God does not allow for us to serve anyone but him. Jesus lives to serve his Father and Jesus expects us to live in honor of what he has done for us by doing as he does. It is Jesus' command just as it is his Father's that we serve the Father and him alone. I mean look at Matthew 4:10 and take it to heart people. Do you really think that Jesus told the devil something that does not also apply to us?
Matthew 4:10 "Then Jesus said to him: “Go away, Satan! For it is written: ‘It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.’”
Do you really want to tempt Jesus as the devil did?
marcosmasliaev
Member
As I know, the Trinity concept was not reality for the primitive Christians, neither Jesus said something about it. But, councilors in the following centuries introduced this concept as a mystery, in fact there's no explanation about it, or evidence of its real value. It's a concept to mystify and control some churches.
Muffled
Jesus in me
I believe that is like saying you know the moon is made of green cheese. The evidence does not support your view.
lostwanderingsoul
Well-Known Member
the ancient pagan Babylonian Mystery Religion believed in a trinity. when those pagan ideas were introduced to the great modern universal church in the 2nd or 3rd century they were accepted because the modern church is a reflection of all the pagan mysteries from years before. if God knows everything, why would there be so many mysteries in His church? because it is a false church hiding behind the mask of Christianity
moorea944
Well-Known Member
No, not at all. Nowhere, does the bible say that Jesus was "given" a human nature. He already had it. David was his father too. Scripture tells us that many times. Jesus even tells us that in Rev. Jesus was made (born) like us, his brethren. Heb 2.
He had to be like us, the Son of God and the son of man. The trinity is man-made and has nothing to do with the bible.
"Hear O Israel, the Lord our God is one!"
"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me:"
Trinitarians says that wrong! There are Gods beside our God. God the son and God the Holy Spirit. Wow......
Yoshua
Well-Known Member
Hi Moorea,
We believe in one God who exists in three persons (Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). At Phil. 2:5-7, it says that He (Jesus) is in the form of God, emptied Himself (because He is God, He did not consider Himself to be equal with God-Father instead He take the form of a human like us).
Yes, David is not literally His father, but in David's lineage.
Phil. 2:5-7
5. Have this mind in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
6. who, existing in the form of God, counted not the being on an equality with God a thing to be grasped,
7. but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in the likeness of men;
If we dwell with the Scriptures, we can see first their existence as I posted the baptism of Jesus.
Matt. 3:16-17
16. And after being baptized, Jesus(Son) went up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened, and he saw the Spirit of God (Holy Spirit) descending as a dove, and coming upon Him,
17. and behold, a voice(Father) out of the heavens, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well-pleased."
How could you explain this? Trinitarian doctrine is about existence and deities as manifested throughout the Scriptures.
Thanks