You're welcomed.OK, I see that if the baker said no before the design was even proposed, that he was not objecting from a creative point of view.
I also see that the KKK is not protected.
Thank you for a legal interpretation.
What did the ACLU say? Do you have a link? Phillips certainly does not need to post a sign proclaiming that he obeys the law. He can. As the COA noted, he can also post a sign expressing his disapproval of the law. The law does not infringe his ability to speak.I'm still interested in whether or not the ACLU writer's opinion is a stretch - if the Supreme Court overturns [is that the correct verb here?] this decision, is the logical legal conclusion then that the baker could just go ahead and post a sign that says "No ...any protected group... allowed in here?"
I am unaware that the Court has ever held that decorating a cake to sell is "expressive activity" protected by the First Amendment. It conceivably is, and the Court is likely to say something to that effect its upcoming opinion. Phillips' claim of compelled expression would have been his best argument, if it weren't for the fact that he ruined that argument by refusing Craig and Mullins service upon finding out that they are a same-sex couple about to get married and wanted the cake for the reception. For all Phillips knew when he refused them service, all they wanted was a nondescript sheet cake that didn't in any way identify the occasion or couple.Also, I'm not so clear on the standard product vs creative product difference.
Baking and selling a non-custom cake is different from custom decorating one.
Selling ready to hang art is different from selling a custom painting.
How can there be no difference between custom and non-custom product? If you ask an artist for their expression of something, you are getting their opinion of it. That's what a creative product is - an opinion or expression.
Phillips does not have to have a favorable opinion about anything in order to not discriminate against customers on one of the protected bases.You can't make someone have a favorable opinion of anything - so how can you make them create reasonable art about it?
How does Phillips have a favorable opinion about the couples who are adulterers so that he can make them a happy cake?
If a business-owner's "ideals" are to discriminate against the classes included in the public accommodations laws, then he should find another business. He is obviously unable to conduct his business in the way that the law requires. It's like someone who can't resist stealing money working in a bank.I'm not at all comfortable with the government being able to tell anyone that they need to set their ideals aside