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Can the Zetgeist Believers Please Stop Comparing Jesus with Osiris and Horus?
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Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
Care to share your sources?
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
There are 16 crucified other saviours? I don't think so. The only other one I know of is Mithra, and it's well known that particular element wasn't in original Persian Mithraism, it was a Roman innovation based on Christianity.
I do:
The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors
Jesus MO is nothing new they have been doing it for thousands of years. Only thing is most are now considered mythological in nature Zeus and others. He is no more than a mythological interpretation of other ancient Gods rolled into one person. If Jesus did all the miracles and other workings that are claim by the Inerrant Gospels then why did not any one of the Historians at the time mention these wonder workings? Why are there no contempoary evidence that supports this theory? Simple it did not happen.
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In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed. As Nicholas Carter concludes in The Christ Myth: "No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity."Quote:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm
The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors
Jesus MO is nothing new they have been doing it for thousands of years. Only thing is most are now considered mythological in nature Zeus and others. He is no more than a mythological interpretation of other ancient Gods rolled into one person. If Jesus did all the miracles and other workings that are claim by the Inerrant Gospels then why did not any one of the Historians at the time mention these wonder workings? Why are there no contempoary evidence that supports this theory? Simple it did not happen.
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In the final analysis there is no evidence that the biblical character called "Jesus Christ" ever existed. As Nicholas Carter concludes in The Christ Myth: "No sculptures, no drawings, no markings in stone, nothing written in his own hand; and no letters, no commentaries, indeed no authentic documents written by his Jewish and Gentile contemporaries, Justice of Tiberius, Philo, Josephus, Seneca, Petronius Arbiter, Pliny the Elder, et al., to lend credence to his historicity."Quote:
http://www.truthbeknown.com/pliny.htm
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Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Azrael so you're basically using arguments like the Zetgeist to support your position? Even though the Zetgeist is based on very poor scholarship and seems to fabricate various bases it uses for it's argument? Such as Horus being born a human and having a mother called Merri?
Not worried about Zeitgeist. The likeness between Jesus and other mythological Gods of the ancients is not coincidental. With the early Church fathers habit of forgery and interpolation one can hardly put scholarly attributes in their corner now can we. But, the truth always hurts and if there were not some truth to it then it would not have made such a stir now would it? But anyway...................
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
What truth? You do know that the guy you sited as your source as also been shown to now really know all of what he talks about right? Just like the people that did Zeitgeist. Other Scholars show his not right. Some people wish to just throw wrenches in stuff they know nothing off.
Oh and nothing hurts here, you do realize that we're not Christian trying to prove that are god is original, but Pagans showing that there's a bunch of ignorant unfounded crap out there by people who wish to bash on Christianity and try and use Paganism for there weapon...but it doesn't work.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
Truth? LOL. How does Jesus compare to ancient figures in Pagan religions all that much? Maybe a few similarities, but these folks tend to blow it way out of porportion.
Yes it does or you would not be getting so ****** right now. Truth is everything Christianity gained is from the Pagans. Easter, Christmas, etc etc...
Well with this I agree to some degree there is a such thing as taking things to far.
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I don't deny Christianity got Christmas and Easter from Pagans. Truth is I'm a Christian myself, though a very heretical one, and I think Christianity and Paganism compliment each other very well. I have no problem calling Christianity, Pagan, but to be fair, Jesus' story isn't that much like that of other figures.
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I'm not get ****** (what every that word is meant to be). Your failing and trying to put an emotion on me I am not letting out. Stop project and site some sources that are reliable.
I guess it depends on which side of the fence your standing on....
Rainbow Mage
Lib Democrat/Agnostic/Epicurean-ish/Buddhist-ish
I'm on both sides of the fence, Christian and Pagan :-D Not Christian Wicca though...
No I am not. Your the one getting mad. And besides why beat a dead horse?
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Originally Posted by Azrael
Yes it does or you would not be getting so ****** right now. Truth is everything Christianity gained is from the Pagans. Easter, Christmas, etc etc...
Yeah your right. At least in the mythological sense the comparsion is some what identical.
Apparently the ancients thought it was the stars huh....but you'll have to ask some one who buys into the whole of the Zeitgeist theory like some here think I do? The correlations are there, maybe not the same, maybe not totally true or not, who knows? But its a known fact that Ancient Egyptian text are 4400 years old and clearly played a role some where?
Azakel
Liebe ist für alle da
I'm not mad. I don't understand why you feel the need to stick me with an emotional outburst on a forum when you can hear me. Quite sad that you'd do that, trying to appeal to emotions?
And it's not dead, if you won't site real scholars that have real credentials you are still going to be called on it. If you have nothing to back up what you say, then fine. Ether way, I'm done here.
Good. Me too. Have a nice day though....though I see you have posted no real scholars to claim otherwise so I guess we are even................
fallingblood
Agnostic Theist
You are aware that "The World's Sixteen Crucified Saviors" has been thoroughly debunked. From the site you linked to:
Not a very credible book at all. Especially when it has been shown that a few of the crucified saviors he mentions are not found anywhere else but in Graves book. Even Richard Carrier, one of the supporters of the Jesus Myth, states that Graves is extremely unreliable. Really, the book is basically useless, as most scholars agree.
Maybe you would like to read some actual credible work on the historical Jesus. Or just about ancient history in general. The Gospels are filled with myth. However, so are the stories of Augusts, Alexander the Great, Buddha, Julius Caesar, as well as many others. Historical Jesus scholarship realizes this, and concludes that there is some myth (being born of a virgin, resurrecting, many of the miracles, etc), but there was also a historical figure that it is based on.