Can the Zetgeist Believers Please Stop Comparing Jesus with Osiris and Horus?

[prometheuspan]

lol
i just got banned from there.

i didn't even try to tell them how ludicrously bachelors degree level error esque PJs presentations were...
i was sooooo trying to be nice.

 

[dust1n]

Isaiah has nothing to do with Jesus, so we can just void that one. Mark is talking about the Son of Man, which is not God.

As for John, he never states that "I am God." Yes, one could interpret what he is saying to mean that he is God. However, what he is saying is that God is in me. Not that he is God.

John 10:30 though, if taken in context, will be shown that Jesus differentiates between himself and God. After being accused of teaching that he is God, he explains and says that he is God's Son. This makes perfect sense then why he would say that the Father was in him (or apart of him) and that the father and him are one (as the Father is apart of him). He makes it very clear though that he is not God, but the son of God.

Exactly how does John (or Jesus) make that clear?

 

[fallingblood]

Exactly how does John (or Jesus) make that clear?

Because the Gospel of John, in chapter 10, after he says that I and the Father are one, he specifically states, after he is accused of saying he was God, which he rebuttals, and states that he said that I am God's son.

Jesus is very clear that he is God's son. He differentiates between himself and the Father (God) constantly.

 

[dust1n]

Because the Gospel of John, in chapter 10, after he says that I and the Father are one, he specifically states, after he is accused of saying he was God, which he rebuttals, and states that he said that I am God's son.

Jesus is very clear that he is God's son. He differentiates between himself and the Father (God) constantly.

Ok, fair enough... but it is important to note the majority of Christian institutions stand behind the fact the Jesus is the son of God, so if the Bible might not agree, Christiandom does and would be based off the concept of sun worship.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

I see the way Jesus is God as being the same way Lord Krishna is God, an avatar. That doesn't make him the same as God the Father, persay, unless you want to get real technical.

 

[Sententia]

Can the Zetgeist Believers Please Stop Comparing Jesus with Osiris and Horus?

Why make such requests? hehe What are you driving at mate? Sure Sword of Shannara is very different from Lord of the Rings and Sojourn. Remarkably different then the Bible, Koran and ye old Book of Mormon.

Its all fiction though yes?

We are all atheists and we have our gods we discount. You want to discount the old gods in favor of the new? How is that different in any way from our historical embrace of the supernatural?

Yhwh might as well be a leprechaun named Vince riding a unicorn of white innocence and righteousness. Unfalsifiable and thus we must conclude we live by his code or face his wrath in the 'Afterlife'.

I see the way Jesus is God as being the same way Lord Krishna is God, an avatar.

Aye I red Time of Troubles as well mate. I know of Cyric's treachery and the elusive and crafty ways of Mask. I too sought to embrace Mystra given that context.

 

[Rainbow Mage]

Balance I don't discount the old gods. Don't you know what a Monist is? I equally accept all deities as reality, part of the one reality.

 

[Sententia]

Balance I don't discount the old gods. Don't you know what a Monist is? I equally accept all deities as reality, part of the one reality.

Aye mate I do. Lets follow your line of thought. Take my hand and lead me down the path hehe.

Monism is any philosophical view which holds that there is unity in a given field of inquiry, where this is not to be expected

Obviously this doesn't discount the possibility of you discounting the old gods but the gods I mentioned... Cyric, Mask and Mystra are invented gods. They are of the Forgetten realms.

Cyric is the Lord of Murder and the Prince of Lies. He slayed Bhaal the Lord of Death! Mask is the Lord of theives and deceit. Mystra is the goddess of Magic.

hee hee...

Ok ok... So You do want to make a distinction that you believe Jesus is different then the old egyptian gods?

It just doesn't sound like him. Maybe you don't know everything about Jesus. Perhaps one of the bible writers got a bit tipsy and embellished a bit and left out some important details... Who knows?

My point is the bible is in the religious section of the library and not in the non-fiction section. Monism, Catholism, Satanism etc etc are more like philosophies to help you personally to connect with what you perceive to be reality. I would not generalize that statement but I think in this case it seems applicable.

It might be beneficial and it could not be but you dodged the questions. (The ones that end in the '?')

Specifically:

1. Why make such requests?
2. What are you driving at mate?
3. Its all fiction though yes?
4. You want to discount the old gods in favor of the new?
5. How is that different in any way from our historical embrace of the supernatural?

To be fair I think you tried to answer 4. You do believe in Horus and Osiris as actual real deities that exist today? And I think you took a stab a 5... You don't discount them so your embrace of the supernatural is just as real as ever before?

 

[Azrael]

It all plays right into the hands of Solar Mythology:

God is light; in him there is no darkness at all – (1 John 1:5)

There is no night there; no need for lamps or sunlight, for the Lord God is their Light – (Revelation 22:5)

Yahweh placed his Hand on me; then I looked and saw a great Spirit from the north; a great cloud surrounded by Light and flashing Fire...I was what looked like Fire - a radiant disc of Light – (Ezekiel 1:3-28)

For all who fear My Name, the Sun of Righteousness shall shine with healing in its rays – (Malachi 4:2)

In Thy Light we see the Light – (Psalms 36:9)

Send forth Thy Light and Thy Truth to be my guide – (Psalms 43:3)

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