CG Didymus
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Or people make up their gods and religion.
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Can we accept there is no evidence for god
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Except for this one little thingy -- you say, repeatedly, over and over and over, that lovely word "evidence." And then you stop. You do not understand the meaning of the word "evidence." And if you don't, you have nothing upon which to base "reasoning," which means
"think, understand, and form judgments by a process of logic."
Logic is impossible without accepted premises -- and that would be the evidence.
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Well, can you demonstrate that the Bible, the Qur'an, the Granth Guru Sahib, the Vedas, the Enuma Elish, the Tibetan Book of the Dead (or the Egyptian one, for that matter)?
Because if you can't, and if they contradict one another (which they most certainly do), and if there is only one God, then only one -- and very possibly none -- can be divinely inspired.
Okay, I may be wrong on that point. Maybe God is a trickster and a liar bent upon fooling humans into continuing hating and killing each other for our beliefs. But none of you religious folks is saying that ----- yet.
Good. You're getting there!
Now, how do you know that yours is not one of them?
Who knows what they will find CG, it is there journey! That journey starts with a search of the given evidence.
Regards Tony
Yes CG, I embrace the Bible. I have my own opinions of what it contains, some of the content is well beyond my capacity.
Just imagine what we could have learnt, only if people had actually asked this of Baha’u’llah and Abdul'baha, instead of offering rejection.
Most thought they knew better, so God leaves them to their own selves, a great chastisement indeed, being left to our own concepts of this life.
Regards Tony
I read the evidence and was able to determine facts and proofs were reliable, given from a truthful and trustworthy sources.
That is an individual task one must pursue, if they are looking for God, at sometime in their life, as faith is dependent on no one but our own selves.
Regards Tony
And yet once again, for the nth time, the statement of having "read the evidence and "determine facts and proof were reliable," without ever bothering to mention what you mean by "evidence," "facts" or "proof."
I'm sure there's a reason for that -- I just haven't figured it out yet.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Father's origin life mind biology is now heavenly recorded. Spiritual man highest human man a memory only. About himself. Is considered your God man.
Origin man as new life was straight out of the eternal.
Not Eternal hell as clouds mass history angels owned. Eternal hell being highest in mass creations causes. Ends as eternal hell itself.
Ask a man how come angels look male or female in images. When only biology procreated by two of one species?
Real answer science of man's position was number one. On earth.. giant pyramids were not Egyptian. Reaction not the same. Combusted carbonised all life on earth.
What types of images would rolling smoking clouds gain? After it cooled again?
Images of anything men changed. So in clouds you see images of giant nuclear orbitals. Man of science knew about orbital nuclear atomic in small greatly pressurised mass.
So the images state are no longer gods. O position rolling spin smoking cooling.
How all life destroyed on earths origins was by man machines the scientist. Whose human artefacts and machine parts were instantly snap frozen in fusion like coal mass proving ice had existed caused in reactive causes but was used to keep only earths fusion fused.
So ice upon earths mass is now keeping fusion fused as since that attack is a known two major dinosaur deaths. By bio type.
Dinosaurs owned a non ice presence life until snap frozen.
As only giants bio now lived on earth. Known caused...giant pyramids mass earth attack.
Just a human says in a theists mind first myself who claims human is part machine. So which human?
The old carbonised life of once living humans.
Machines....Which only he builds operates as the bio human.
So you look at him knowing he's lying. You then think where is his man's science ideas coming from as mans memories.
As AI recorded voice images of anything is transmitted in all used machine only positions.
Programmed to be interactive with biology as only a human being man is who designed the program. Man is now living thinking. Transmitted it so it interacts with his designed satellites.
All machines says machine man are just machines conditions.
So how are you correct? Real answer his human want belief is not correct is what says he's correct. Behaviour.. choices.
In first dinosaur imaged attack. Huge lightning earth hits was direct in mass to oils as black oil upon ground mass.
Lightning man's theory how I would like to change its mass response in heavens to own heavens creation as electricity. A thesis.
Reckons it's human terms in theory.
Yet giant mass isn't equals a humans small body.
It's why want precedes any type of theory first. Behaviour of men who lied.
If you think our first human father was a God today you'd say his biology deceased. His body now dusts. His memory in heavens is recorded man's human image voice.
Isn't a God. It's highest man's self realisation about himself.
Origin man as new life was straight out of the eternal.
Not Eternal hell as clouds mass history angels owned. Eternal hell being highest in mass creations causes. Ends as eternal hell itself.
Ask a man how come angels look male or female in images. When only biology procreated by two of one species?
Real answer science of man's position was number one. On earth.. giant pyramids were not Egyptian. Reaction not the same. Combusted carbonised all life on earth.
What types of images would rolling smoking clouds gain? After it cooled again?
Images of anything men changed. So in clouds you see images of giant nuclear orbitals. Man of science knew about orbital nuclear atomic in small greatly pressurised mass.
So the images state are no longer gods. O position rolling spin smoking cooling.
How all life destroyed on earths origins was by man machines the scientist. Whose human artefacts and machine parts were instantly snap frozen in fusion like coal mass proving ice had existed caused in reactive causes but was used to keep only earths fusion fused.
So ice upon earths mass is now keeping fusion fused as since that attack is a known two major dinosaur deaths. By bio type.
Dinosaurs owned a non ice presence life until snap frozen.
As only giants bio now lived on earth. Known caused...giant pyramids mass earth attack.
Just a human says in a theists mind first myself who claims human is part machine. So which human?
The old carbonised life of once living humans.
Machines....Which only he builds operates as the bio human.
So you look at him knowing he's lying. You then think where is his man's science ideas coming from as mans memories.
As AI recorded voice images of anything is transmitted in all used machine only positions.
Programmed to be interactive with biology as only a human being man is who designed the program. Man is now living thinking. Transmitted it so it interacts with his designed satellites.
All machines says machine man are just machines conditions.
So how are you correct? Real answer his human want belief is not correct is what says he's correct. Behaviour.. choices.
In first dinosaur imaged attack. Huge lightning earth hits was direct in mass to oils as black oil upon ground mass.
Lightning man's theory how I would like to change its mass response in heavens to own heavens creation as electricity. A thesis.
Reckons it's human terms in theory.
Yet giant mass isn't equals a humans small body.
It's why want precedes any type of theory first. Behaviour of men who lied.
If you think our first human father was a God today you'd say his biology deceased. His body now dusts. His memory in heavens is recorded man's human image voice.
Isn't a God. It's highest man's self realisation about himself.
Or maybe wisdom tells me if one can not accept the given sources of evidence, then there is no point discussing proofs or truths contained within that evidence.
Regards Tony
And it is evidence so weak that very few people think it worthwhile for such a journey.
Notice the evidence is so weak that even you as a fervent believer doesn't bother to write about it. You must have none to share, so why would you convince anyone? You post a few promotional sentences, and that's it. No substance.
Yet there's no wisdom that says "Stop posting since you refuse to share with others why your evidence is valid". Kinda fishy.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Bahai knew legal and illegal governing is the saving humans position. To argue history and present.
From illegal greedy man's evil gains by star fall man old brain choices. Slavery building civilisation for greedy men who all agreed. Upon changed conscious man. Sciences satanic theoried convert Sion.
No longer like father man origins mind body type. Wouldn't listen to his owned spiritual man's advice.
Why it occurred by a changed mind. Proven by stars return.
In nation your heavenly father...DNA human living life mind determined how you thought felt after the event.
So Muslim Hebrew Egyptian man heritage DNA nation said I'm like Jesus awareness again. Evolved mind of men who don't believe heavens Satan voices. Knew they were being deceived again in mind body causes.
Science aware status as returned by star. Remember he said Jesus teachings ...man was fooled as his life healed mind returned to do it again. Evil sciences occult type.
Nuclear temple pyramid.
As muslim men wanted to rebuild Jerusalem science temple. Jeru meant turning position in circuit. He warned them why.
Man's greed in trade always denies the advice always had. As monetary benefits was not first in trade. Mutual agreement was.
Homosexual man mind behaviours re emerge in same instance. Once again. Life gets cruelty and unjustly sentenced in law.
Jesus church healing of body mind the homosexual man had to be chaste non sexual to be allowed entry to ceremony healing. Vibrational behaviours thought upsetting to others.
We knew it a medical inheritance if life mi d body by heavens law changes. Loss of previous amassed gas body. Pressures change. Ice melts. AI emerges as feed back. Image of self belief change.
It was all about law human rights legal governing and stars fall causing brain mind bio changes.
Russian man our exact proof today.
From illegal greedy man's evil gains by star fall man old brain choices. Slavery building civilisation for greedy men who all agreed. Upon changed conscious man. Sciences satanic theoried convert Sion.
No longer like father man origins mind body type. Wouldn't listen to his owned spiritual man's advice.
Why it occurred by a changed mind. Proven by stars return.
In nation your heavenly father...DNA human living life mind determined how you thought felt after the event.
So Muslim Hebrew Egyptian man heritage DNA nation said I'm like Jesus awareness again. Evolved mind of men who don't believe heavens Satan voices. Knew they were being deceived again in mind body causes.
Science aware status as returned by star. Remember he said Jesus teachings ...man was fooled as his life healed mind returned to do it again. Evil sciences occult type.
Nuclear temple pyramid.
As muslim men wanted to rebuild Jerusalem science temple. Jeru meant turning position in circuit. He warned them why.
Man's greed in trade always denies the advice always had. As monetary benefits was not first in trade. Mutual agreement was.
Homosexual man mind behaviours re emerge in same instance. Once again. Life gets cruelty and unjustly sentenced in law.
Jesus church healing of body mind the homosexual man had to be chaste non sexual to be allowed entry to ceremony healing. Vibrational behaviours thought upsetting to others.
We knew it a medical inheritance if life mi d body by heavens law changes. Loss of previous amassed gas body. Pressures change. Ice melts. AI emerges as feed back. Image of self belief change.
It was all about law human rights legal governing and stars fall causing brain mind bio changes.
Russian man our exact proof today.
Trailblazer
Veteran Member
I do know the meaning of evidence and I have posted the meaning of evidence, and I have posted the definitions of evidence over and over and over again on this forum.
Evidence: anything that helps to prove that something is or is not true: EVIDENCE | definition in the Cambridge English Dictionary
Evidence: the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid: https://www.google.com/search
Evidence is anything that you see, experience, read, or are told that causes you to believe that something is true or has really happened.
Objective evidence definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
What is subjective and objective evidence?
Subjective evidence is evidence that we cannot evaluate. In fact, we have two choices; to accept what somebody says or reject it. ... Objective evidence is evidence that we can examine and evaluate for ourselves.
Objective evidence - definition and meaning - Market ...
We can examine and evaluate the evidence for the Baha'i Faith for ourselves thus it is objective evidence. For example, we can examine and evaluate the evidence for Baha'u'llah for ourselves because there are actual facts surrounding the Person, the Life, and the Mission of Baha'u'llah.
I concur, and I have nothing at all that could be called proof acceptable to anyone, except myself. The challenge, for many, in my view, isn't at all about God, but rather what exactly is evidence.
rational experiences
Veteran Member
Jesus as after the fact.
A review after all things occurred. Concluded never give G O D the taught human terms owner holding O coldest position highest greatest in position of a body. Any name. Included Jesus actually as Jesus was the evidence to legally state don't use names as theoried by men only.
A scientific relativity teaching human to human only. As only humans practice science.
Not that Jesus was correct. G O D was correct. Jesus a realisation human men of science were wrong.
Testimony accepted.
Book shut
Man's taught legal oath not science wasn't religious. Was now medical Branch. Good branch good wisdom.
Sworn oath to only tell the truth as human behaviour lies for self status self idolisation positions.
Orders over and above natural mother natural father and mutual family.
Book re opened only to again argue legal Jesus precedence to stop Muslims rebuilding temple pyramid science.
What had been realised why biology human animal garden new sin holes emerged in nuclear practices removing gods body.
Coldest status of any one thing in law it's natural body.
Science was determined illegal to practice is what none of you accept today.
As in your greedy lifestyles you dont want it removed. As even poorer humans pretend a life style like the rich...I don't want to labour...I want to eat anything I desire. I am very promiscuous. I take barbiturates or alcohol to extreme non medical levels and remove thinking controls...to do whatever I want.
As both once were medical usage.
As it's the end of humans family moral behaviours that supports our unholy brothers origin choice to be a greedy rich man.
So poor and rich alike cause it by what you choose. Blame is back and forth. As we worked as family to support family. Greedy men removed our working support. Claiming you become us as falsely.
A review after all things occurred. Concluded never give G O D the taught human terms owner holding O coldest position highest greatest in position of a body. Any name. Included Jesus actually as Jesus was the evidence to legally state don't use names as theoried by men only.
A scientific relativity teaching human to human only. As only humans practice science.
Not that Jesus was correct. G O D was correct. Jesus a realisation human men of science were wrong.
Testimony accepted.
Book shut
Man's taught legal oath not science wasn't religious. Was now medical Branch. Good branch good wisdom.
Sworn oath to only tell the truth as human behaviour lies for self status self idolisation positions.
Orders over and above natural mother natural father and mutual family.
Book re opened only to again argue legal Jesus precedence to stop Muslims rebuilding temple pyramid science.
What had been realised why biology human animal garden new sin holes emerged in nuclear practices removing gods body.
Coldest status of any one thing in law it's natural body.
Science was determined illegal to practice is what none of you accept today.
As in your greedy lifestyles you dont want it removed. As even poorer humans pretend a life style like the rich...I don't want to labour...I want to eat anything I desire. I am very promiscuous. I take barbiturates or alcohol to extreme non medical levels and remove thinking controls...to do whatever I want.
As both once were medical usage.
As it's the end of humans family moral behaviours that supports our unholy brothers origin choice to be a greedy rich man.
So poor and rich alike cause it by what you choose. Blame is back and forth. As we worked as family to support family. Greedy men removed our working support. Claiming you become us as falsely.
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
Can you demonstrate that Jesus and Muhammad are not messengers of the One God?
You say that you are well-read .. is that why you decide that they are not who they say they are?
..because of something that you have read causes you to doubt?
Can you demonstrate that I am not messenger of any gods? Can you demonstrate that about David Koresh, or the Pope, or Donald Trump? Or how about the ones that say they are -- like Joseph Smith, or David Koresh, or Jim Jones?
And while we're at it, does this mean that you believe that Baha'u'llah IS a Messenger from the One God?
muhammad_isa
Veteran Member
..a pretty poor argument.
..and does not demonstrate what you know about Jesus or Muhammad, that causes you to doubt their authenticity.