Can you be a theist and an atheist at the same time?

[Logikal]

Will you reject that the Sun is a God?

An atheist will REJECT any GOD be it the Sun, the car, the house, the mouse, etc. whatever adverb or adjective you use will make no difference. The atheist will put a NOT In front of your claim. In full English NOT = "IT is Not the Case that . . . "

 

[Logikal]

It's a redundant label. If you believe in deities, you are a theist. It seems that you do not know what you believe, some people call that agnostic, some people just say ''I don't know''/

I think that ''I don't know'' would be an accurate description of your position.

Wrong. I am a Christian. The topic is not about ME but the terms. Agnostic would be the person who is not a believer and not a rejector that God exists. Thus, the agnostic is the person sitting on the fence by CHIOCE.

 

[Jumi]

Your usage may be legit in your hood or community which is what I stated but academic sources would not use any of the terms like YOU and the emotional folk here. Your definition is the emotional kind. These terms as I have stated are contraries and cannot be true simultaneously. Rational people ought not speak in such a manner where you either say something contrary or contradict yourself. I do not know of any rationalally sound folk who do those things intentionally. You OUGHT to be focusing on the CONTRARY relationship instead of how some emotional person just does what he likes with any word whatsoever. Address the contrary relationship please the terms have. If one is TRUE the others MUST BE FALSE.

Before you continue with more insults provide your sources.

 

[Jumi]

It's a redundant label. If you believe in deities, you are a theist. It seems that you do not know what you believe, some people call that agnostic, some people just say ''I don't know''/

I think that ''I don't know'' would be an accurate description of your position.

Well the OP isn't about myself. I know my position well. There are gods that might exist and gods I'm sure don't exist.

 

[Jumi]

An atheist will REJECT any GOD be it the Sun, the car, the house, the mouse, etc. whatever adverb or adjective you use will make no difference. The atheist will put a NOT In front of your claim. In full English NOT = "IT is Not the Case that . . . "

This may be the case in your hood, but don't get too emotionally attached to your definitions because you would be wrong.

 

[Unveiled Artist]

Words are not defined by grammar but the meaning implied. A concept has a meaning or message to relay. The concepts under discussion have a meaning to relay to other humans when used. Many of you are confusing freedom of speech and rational thinking. Yes you have the freedom to think what you like and say what you like but that doesn't mean you are making rational sense. All atheist will fall under the class of anti theist. As a matter of fact those are the only two classes we can have in this discussion: theist and anti theist. There is no third option.
Under the class of anti theist are agnostic and atheist. A theist is a human believes in a deity. You trying to use grammar and STILL going back to etymology does not convey the proper context. You are being a literal reader when you ought to be looking at the context and what message a person is trying to convey when using those words.

My point is "you" cant change the meaning of words already defined. I mean. If you want to refer to atheism as rejection of belief in God, thats "your" thing. By definition, atheism is "lack of" belief in deities.

Anti-theism is rejection of deities.

You can reject deities that you dont believe in. Weird, though.

Why is that bothersome? Are you attached to the word atheist?

****I mean. I am an atheist and I cannot reject deities that Do Not exist.****

Cant understand your logic in changing the "general" definition of the word. Personal def. you can call atheists people who reject mud. Generally, that is not the definition.

Thats like saying a Muslim is someone who believes in the divinity and salvation of Christ. Maybe that individual Muslim believes that. However, that is not the definition of Muslim belief.

 

[Desert Snake]

Well the OP isn't about myself. I know my position well. There are gods that might exist and gods I'm sure don't exist.

You don't have anything listed next to the religion label.

 

[Desert Snake]

Wrong. I am a Christian. The topic is not about ME but the terms. Agnostic would be the person who is not a believer and not a rejector that God exists. Thus, the agnostic is the person sitting on the fence by CHIOCE.

Great, but is that what the OP is trying to talk about? Is that actually the subject?

//what is the subject of the OP?

 

[Logikal]

Great, but is that what the OP is trying to talk about? Is that actually the subject?

//what is the subject of the OP?

The OP is stating that he is unclear how to use the terms and has possibly seen the terms being mixed together which confuses him. I have defined the ACADEMIC and rational definitions of the terms --NOT THE DICTIONARY and hood versions of the term A+Theist like the emotional people here. Read my definition and look at their irrational definitions. No wonder the OP is confused. Emotional people confuse the RIGHT to FREE SPEECH and do what they want to sounding intelligent. They are focusing on "I can do whatever I want and define anything however I want . . . " & "You cannot tell me how to define words . . .." which is NOT the TOPIC.

I never said no one could define any word anyway they want. You can define triangle as a bird if YOU WANTED to but most English speaking and RATIONAL human being will be lost to what you are trying to say. You can define Atheist as ice cream if you want but how is everyone outside your circle going to know what you mean? I specifically stated academic sources will define the terms like I did. I will be more specific: philosophy in academia (philosophic sources) will define the terms like I did.

 

[Iti oj]

ignostic?

 

[Iti oj]

Wrong. I am a Christian. The topic is not about ME but the terms. Agnostic would be the person who is not a believer and not a rejector that God exists. Thus, the agnostic is the person sitting on the fence by CHIOCE.

if one doesn't believe in god then one is atheist by default. the in-between position is nonsensical imo. theist and atheist are about belief agnostic and Gnostic are about knowledge

edit apparently the definition disagrees with me.

 

[Logikal]

if one doesn't believe in god then one is atheist by default. the in-between position is nonsensical imo. theist and atheist are about belief agnostic and Gnostic are about knowledge

Your opinion is objectively wrong! I have stated specifically the logical relation to the three terms THEIST, ATHEIST, and AGNOSTIC as CONTRARIES. Do any of you know what contrary means? It means you can not be rationally serious and say these things at the same time. If one is TRUE the others CANNOT also be true simultaneously. You can hope and believe what ever you like but rational people try not to look bad publically and write things that make little sense.

It is like I am a murder suspect for the killing of Joe SMOE and my statements to the police are as follows: "I did commit the murder", "No I did not commit the murder (and had nothing to do with it)", and finally "I heard he was murdered but I am not sure who did the murder." Can someone explain how can I rationally intermix the statements? Does anyone even care about logical relations or are you mostly just emotions?

 

[Jumi]

You don't have anything listed next to the religion label.

I don't have a religion.

Great, but is that what the OP is trying to talk about? Is that actually the subject?

You're right. I was actually talking about a communication barrier when talking about the gods. I guess I wasn't clear though, since many replies seem condescending or hostile.

 

[Jumi]

The OP is stating that he is unclear how to use the terms and has possibly seen the terms being mixed together which confuses him. I have defined the ACADEMIC and rational definitions of the terms --NOT THE DICTIONARY and hood versions of the term A+Theist like the emotional people here. Read my definition and look at their irrational definitions. No wonder the OP is confused. Emotional people confuse the RIGHT to FREE SPEECH and do what they want to sounding intelligent. They are focusing on "I can do whatever I want and define anything however I want . . . " & "You cannot tell me how to define words . . .." which is NOT the TOPIC.

Definition of atheism in English:
noun
[mass noun]Disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods.

Definition of agnostic in English:

noun
A person who believes that nothing is known or can be known of the existence or nature of God.

Logically these two are not exclusive. Although in your hood you may believe it so.

You still haven't provided any sources for your definitions when you've been asked although you ask that of others. Why is that?

 

[Windwalker]

What do you call someone who believes in God but rejects theism?

 

[Iti oj]

What do you call someone who believes in God but rejects theism?

a mystic? ...I don't understand how does that work? H

 

[Jumi]

What do you call someone who believes in God but rejects theism?

Some deists, pantheists or panentheists would fit that description.

 

[Iti oj]

Some deists, pantheists or panentheists would fit that description.

maybe monist as well?

 

[Ouroboros]

What do you call someone who believes in God but rejects theism?

Spiritually mature?

 

[Windwalker]

a mystic? ...I don't understand how does that work? H

Not all mystics would speak in terms of God, but I would say that those who do I think a better term for them would be transtheist. It actually includes those who don't. It's really the same to say it as transathiesim as well. God beyond God is another way to say it.