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Can you forgive?
- Thread starter Spirit of Light
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Most things are easy enough to forgive and move on when you take in consideration that humans tend to make stupid mistakes and if we all decided to take everything face value life would be unbearable. But some things are hard if not impossible to forgive. When you think about acts of violence, abuse and so on, that's a very different story. Even if the person repents and apologizes, I recognize that the right thing to do would be to forgive them, but I'm not sure if I could. Hopeful I'll never have to find out.
Hell no!
You're not understanding the Hindu concept of God, which says God is within us, we are God, everything we see is God, because there is nothing else. Sarvam khalvidam brahma "all this [what we see and experience] is Brahman (i.e. God)".
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Well i might not know all the hindu teaching, But the way i see it is that we have the ability to enlighten to Godhood or Buddhahood if we reach enlightenment, but as normal human beings we does not have the quality as a God or a Buddha. So this is why i say someone who has not cultivated up to realising enlightenment can not be called a God or Buddha
That's all very true, and notice I said "within" us. Being part of this universe we have forgotten our true nature. We must try to realize and remember what we truly are. That's enlightenment, which becomes moksha, or liberation from the cycle of rebirth.
Audie
Veteran Member
I really did mean it when I said that "so far" I can forgive everything...and have. The real point of that, though, is that I am the clear winner for that ability, not anybody else.
It is a truth that I was a very badly battered child, nearly killed twice, and I honestly believe there was also sexual abuse, but memory can be tricky, so I couldn't swear to it. I spent years in treatment for being what was then called "a disturbed child," and it wasn't until I was somewhere around thirty that I suddenly realized that the ways in which I acted out were, in some part, a consequence of how I'd been treated.
Now, see, that realization came, and at almost the same instant, the realization that my father (who never saw my face), my mother and stepfather, and all the foster families were all "acting out" their own pasts, just as I was.
I mean this, I swear -- in that moment, I forgave everything, and none of it has ever bothered me since -- even when I got the report of my whole childhood from the Children's Aid which confirmed most of the damage done to me. The burden that was lifted from me was so immense, that I became, in some important and good way, another person.
In forgiving others, I won. Honest.
It is a truth that I was a very badly battered child, nearly killed twice, and I honestly believe there was also sexual abuse, but memory can be tricky, so I couldn't swear to it. I spent years in treatment for being what was then called "a disturbed child," and it wasn't until I was somewhere around thirty that I suddenly realized that the ways in which I acted out were, in some part, a consequence of how I'd been treated.
Now, see, that realization came, and at almost the same instant, the realization that my father (who never saw my face), my mother and stepfather, and all the foster families were all "acting out" their own pasts, just as I was.
I mean this, I swear -- in that moment, I forgave everything, and none of it has ever bothered me since -- even when I got the report of my whole childhood from the Children's Aid which confirmed most of the damage done to me. The burden that was lifted from me was so immense, that I became, in some important and good way, another person.
In forgiving others, I won. Honest.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
to not cling to the past
What benefit does forgiveness have over acceptance?
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Forgivness is the first step toward acceptance
I respectfully disagree. There are things that I have accepted that I have not forgiven.
No, he's not misunderstanding. What Shantanu is talking about is not the Hindu concept of God/Brahman. Trust me, I've gone it over it with him. He's talking about something completely different.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Audie
Veteran Member
Audie
Veteran Member
How do you know that.
Spirit of Light
Be who ever you want
Because i have experienced it my self.
Audie
Veteran Member
I do not "cling to the past".
I am guessing that you've had nobody inflict a deeply
traumatic life threatening experience on you.
No counselor told me that I must "forgive" or "cling".
Last freakin' thing I would want to do is cling.
You might put "imho" with what you post as "fact" or "truth".
(IMHO =in my humble opinion.)