Canada anti-islamophobia motion M103

[Notanumber]

Do these shed a bit more light on the situation?

There is much more about it on YouTube.

 

[UpperLimits]

Do these shed a bit more light on the situation?

There is much more about it on YouTube.

Those are good. But I seriously doubt any liberal will even bother to look at them. Liberals and socialists have their agenda and they will implement it regardless of the consequences.

The biggest problem I find in talking to people about these concerns is that things really DO "look good" at the start. It takes about a generation, or two, before you finally see the result of their actions. By then it's far too late to do anything about the consequences, and we all end up paying for their drastic errors. Sadly, it could all be avoided by following a little (of what used to be) "common sense." Personally, I find most of these people are on about the same level as chickens who campaign for the right of Colonel Sanders to run a restaurant.

 

[UpperLimits]

So, we didn't learn anything.

Sorry, but you're neuro-transmitter seems to be offline and I'm just not getting the secret coded telepathic message you're trying to send me.

You'll have to write out what you're trying to say so that everyone can understand.

Edited to add:

"There were no seat changes in Monday's federal byelections, but the governing Liberals took a hit in all five of the contested ridings — marking their worst byelection performances so far under Justin Trudeau."​

And that was according to the CBC - The official news media outlet of the government!! So I'd have to say we're making progress.

Liberals put up worst byelection results under Justin Trudeau

So the results of the byelections have something to please each of the opposition parties, with the Conservatives having the most to smile about in addition to their two wins.

On the government's side, their three comfortable victories might be little to worry about just yet. But if these byelections acted as a mid-term report card for the Liberals, they might want to return to their studies or risk failing the next test.​

 

[Wirey]

It appears that with motion M103, the Canadian government still start looking into shutting down "Islamophobia"... argh! Seems danged close to a blasphemy law to me:

Canada passes M-103 motion against Islamophobia

Sigh. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Kind of like when they declare May 4 to be "Canadian Star Wars Day" or "Boy Scout Apple Commemoration Day".

 

[icehorse]

Sigh. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Kind of like when they declare May 4 to be "Canadian Star Wars Day" or "Boy Scout Apple Commemoration Day".

Kind of, except they're goofing around with free speech.

 

[Wirey]

Kind of, except they're goofing around with free speech.

Against the Boy Scouts, Star Wars, or the Muslims?

Seriously, go read the thing first. It has zero legal clout, and Canadians already don't have free speech:

Hate speech laws in Canada - Wikipedia

We're not dumb enough to believe monsters should get to hide behind a non-existent principle. Immediately after the M103 passage, this happened:

Pages torn from Qur'an at Peel school board meeting over prayer issue

Notice how it says no charges were laid? Relax, everything is fine up here.

 

[icehorse]

Notice how it says no charges were laid? Relax, everything is fine up here.

Make sure you don't let the term "islamophobia" get normalized.

 

[Notanumber]

This woman is a liberal. Would she be welcome in Canada?

 

[Wirey]

This woman is a liberal. Would she be welcome in Canada?

I didn't bother watching the videos, but yes. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Go look it up. It has zero, and I mean zero, real meaning. It's no different than a Congressman having Congress recognize the wonderful constituents of his district who make honey. It doesn't mean you're legally obligated to buy that honey. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[icehorse]

I didn't bother watching the videos, but yes. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Go look it up. It has zero, and I mean zero, real meaning. It's no different than a Congressman having Congress recognize the wonderful constituents of his district who make honey. It doesn't mean you're legally obligated to buy that honey. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's another step towards normalizing the idea that "Islamophobia" is a legitimate concern. There IS such a thing as discrimination against Muslims. There is also the very different thing which is legitimate criticism of Islam. The term "Islamophobia" is used by apologists in an attempt to conflate the two and stifle the criticism. Why is this so hard to understand?

 

[UpperLimits]

Sigh. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Kind of like when they declare May 4 to be "Canadian Star Wars Day" or "Boy Scout Apple Commemoration Day".

Kinda curious though...?

Granted, it's not a "law"... yet. "Yet" being the operative word here.

But I would like to know something.... Being that the Liberals have a major majority (They can't be voted out on anything.) in the House of Parliament, and are hell-bent on passing this motion into law, irrespective of what Canadian people want, or think.... What - if anything at all - is preventing this motion from being the effective law of the land?

(Nothing.)

In other words, you'd better start mending your ways and acting like it's the law - because it will be in a short matter of time.

 

[Notanumber]

I didn't bother watching the videos, but yes. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Go look it up. It has zero, and I mean zero, real meaning. It's no different than a Congressman having Congress recognize the wonderful constituents of his district who make honey. It doesn't mean you're legally obligated to buy that honey. Why is this so hard to understand?

That is the problem. People do not bother and just take freedom for granted.

You do not miss things until they have gone.

EDIT: The West Submits to Blasphemy Laws

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

But I would like to know something.... Being that the Liberals have a major majority (They can't be voted out on anything.) in the House of Parliament, and are hell-bent on passing this motion into law, irrespective of what Canadian people want, or think.... What - if anything at all - is preventing this motion from being the effective law of the land?

Do you have a source backing up this claim?

 

[The Emperor of Mankind]

I didn't bother watching the videos, but yes. M103 is not a law, it's a non-binding motion. Go look it up. It has zero, and I mean zero, real meaning. It's no different than a Congressman having Congress recognize the wonderful constituents of his district who make honey. It doesn't mean you're legally obligated to buy that honey. Why is this so hard to understand?

It's more the fact that this motion sets the tone for future social discourse on Islam. The problem being that the motion, like pretty much everything else on Islamophobia, fails to define what the term actually means or does not mean which leaves it as open-ended as ever. It's also worrying given that it normalises Islamophobia as a concept and a term for use in politics. It's too loaded & open-ended a term to allow its usage to become acceptable - particularly by those on the Left (of whom there are plenty) who refuse to even acknowledge the connection between behaviour & belief and would rather stifle genuine criticism of Islam just because it seems like Islam is being 'picked on'.

 

[Wirey]

One more time:

Hate speech laws in Canada - Wikipedia

Canada already has hate speech laws. M103 is not a law. I repeat, for those who have English as a fourth language or a single digit IQ, M103 IS NOT A LAW. Do I need sock puppets or interpretive dance or something to make that plain? If you are genuinely unable to understand the difference between National Eggs Benedict Day and Everyone Who Doesn't Eat Eggs Benedict Will Be Shot Day, I don't know how to explain this to you. M103 is meaningless. A couple of days after it was passed a guy tore pages out of a Koran at a public meeting(a public government meeting) while screaming hate about Islam, and the police decided not to lay charges because no law was broken. See:

Pages torn from Qur'an at Peel school board meeting over prayer issue

So, when we discuss M103, let's remember, not a law. C'mon, breath through your nose and say it with me. Not. A. Law. It doesn't even approach the level of the existing hate speech laws in Canada. It is a bone being thrown to some specific constituents by a Member of Parliament so she can get them behind her in the next election and not have to go get a real job. Period. Window dressing posing from Ontario with no teeth and no recourse under law. Take it from someone who lived here for their whole life and has seen this crap before with "French" in place of "Islam". Jesus, you guys elected Trump and this is what you're worried about?

 

[Notanumber]

The Ontario ministers for education and child and youth services underlined their support for religious accommodation on Thursday, a day after a Peel District School Board meeting was disrupted by Islamophobic comments and pages being torn from a Qur'an.

EPIC VIDEO : Quran Torn to Shreds as Parents Demand School Ban Islamic Prayer

Leah ✌ on Twitter

 

[icehorse]

I repeat, for those who have English as a fourth language or a single digit IQ, M103 IS NOT A LAW.

Wirey, are you intentionally ignoring concerns about normalizing the speech stifling term "Islamophobia"?

Tell me, do you think you'd agree with Imams as to when an act of "Islamophobia" has been committed?

 

[Wirey]

Wirey, are you intentionally ignoring concerns about normalizing the speech stifling term "Islamophobia"?

Tell me, do you think you'd agree with Imams as to when an act of "Islamophobia" has been committed?

The post is about M103. Canada already has laws that make anti-Islamic hate speech illegal. Not criticism. Not conjecture. Hate speech. "Islam is evil," is completely legal. "Islam is evil so let's start throwing grenades," not so much. And is someone committed a crime based on the victim being Islamic, then yes, I'd agree with that Imam.

 

[icehorse]

The post is about M103. Canada already has laws that make anti-Islamic hate speech illegal. Not criticism. Not conjecture. Hate speech. "Islam is evil," is completely legal. "Islam is evil so let's start throwing grenades," not so much. And is someone committed a crime based on the victim being Islamic, then yes, I'd agree with that Imam.

And you still ignore the question of normalization of the disingenuous term...

 

[Wirey]

And you still ignore the question of normalization of the disingenuous term...

If you're terrified by a word, you've already lost.