Canadian tribunal fines $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

[We Never Know]

I'm sure it was unconscious, but when you couldn't support your argument based on its own merits, you just shifted topics. Don't do that.

I stayed on topic and still on topic. Catch up.

 

[We Never Know]

Probably the same percentage of those who never voiced a concern about sexual predators in the restroom or even thought about it until they became aware transgender people where using them.

I raised 2 boys and 2 girls. They are all grown now but when they were in school if a girl that felt she was a boy used the boys bathroom or a boy that felt like he was a girl used the girls bathroom, I would have pulled them all out of school.
A dog can purr and meow like a cat but its still a dog.

 

[We Never Know]

Homosexuals don't pose any threats or dangers like pollution or extinctions. Even normalized, they are still a very small percentage of the population.

Every human does.

 

[We Never Know]

Study after study shows thye kids of same sex parents have just as good long term outcomes as anyone else, so your concerns seem invalid. Further, if you worry that same sex parents might unduly influence a child's idea of normal, why aren't opposite sex parents, or single parents, just as troubling in their undue influence?

Studies also show that kids, male and female that are molested(mainly by males) that males lean toward males and females lean toward females. That doesn't make it normal. Males lean toward males because for some strange reason they feel comfort with other males(in not being abused) and females lean toward females because they carry resenmant toward males.

Edit: Which makes me wonder how much does being molested as a child push that child into being LGB.

Edit #2:
I read a story a few years back about a boy scout leader that was convicted of molesting/abusing 35 boys through 20 years. After they grew up 32 of those boys were either gay, abusive, or spent time in prison. The question is did that abuse push them toward those choices.

 

[Audie]

It would depend upon whom you ask.
One person's dishonest is another's truth.

"who"

 

[Revoltingest]

"who"

In my post "whom" is a direct object.
Life would be easier if just eliminated the word though.

 

[Sky Rivers]

The best possible treatment and support we have found is medically assisted transitioning. Other methods have failed. Go back a few decades and transitioning was rare, and things never got better for those with gender dysphoria.

I don't accept mutilation as an acceptable form of treatment, let alone "the best possible treatment".

 

[Sky Rivers]

It's nothing to do with identity politics. It's a medical issue.Unless you are a medical professional specialising in the field, your opinion isn't really relevant. Longitudinal medical studies show us what the best possible treatments are. If you want to go against medical advice for yourself, that's your right. Your opinion about the treatment of other people is of no more relevance to them than my opinion on your medical treatment for any given condition.

This seems to be a growing trend in a number of medical areas. Since when did people think their opinion gets to determine the best medical treatment for other people?

Gender dysphoric persons are being exploited by both sides of the political spectrum. Furthermore, I have as much right to comment here as any other, regardless of my profession. Does my opinion change what is accepted as "treatment" for gender dysphoria? No.

To restate my position, I accept gender dysphoria as a mental illness and believe treatment should be focused on affirming the sex decided by birth, not enforcing the delusional belief in "mental gender" or affirming the delusion that gender is a social construct.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

Gender dysphoric persons are being exploited by both sides of the political spectrum. Furthermore, I have as much right to comment here as any other, regardless of my profession. Does my opinion change what is accepted as "treatment" for gender dysphoria? No.

To restate my position, I accept gender dysphoria as a mental illness and believe treatment should be focused on affirming the sex decided by birth, not enforcing the delusional belief in "mental gender" or affirming the delusion that gender is a social construct.

"Should" why? Surely the only "should" is "providing the treatment that provides the best long term outcomes", regardless of whether that fulfills random non-stakeholder's personal expectations of normal.

 

[Sky Rivers]

"Should" why? Surely the only "should" is "providing the treatment that provides the best long term outcomes", regardless of whether that fulfills random non-stakeholder's personal expectations of normal.

I don’t agree that current “treatment” provides the best possible long term outcome.

 

[Kangaroo Feathers]

I don’t agree that current “treatment” provides the best possible long term outcome.

You don't have to. That's what longitudinal studies are for.

 

[Sky Rivers]

You don't have to. That's what longitudinal studies are for.

*Shrugs*

 

[Revoltingest]

About puberty blockers I'm not sure, I don't think at that age one can properly decide such matters. Although I would have very much preferred to have been spared the experience of growing boobs, I don't have the impression that before that I had had enough signs of disphoria to diagnose myself as being transgender even if I had already known what that is at that age.

I expect that experience will shed light on how to handle this. Certainly,
appropriate treatment & schedule will vary greatly with the individual.
There will be successes & mistakes. Much is yet to be learned, so I'd
rather see government not prescribe rigid regulations.

 

[whirlingmerc]

So you'd be happy for Christians to champion what used to be one of their favorites, Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live?

You see no problem with advocating to bring back slavery? Slave-owners were fond of quoting the bible because it was so specifically, frequently and enthusiastically on their side. Even Paul (Jesus doesn't mention it).

And you remember Why Can't I Own a Canadian?, of course, which seems particularly topical here.

Just because it's in the bible doesn't mean it's a good idea. There you can find support for invasive war and land grabs, the massacre and/or enslavement of entire populations, the mass rape of women, for human sacrifice, polygamy, religious intolerance (in spades redoubled), the death penalty for disrespecting your parents, for cutting your beard, on and on.

And although nearly all of that (the human sacrifice of Jesus is a major exception) is from the Tanakh, the Jesus of Matthew (5:18) and the Jesus of Luke (16:17) say that the Law will not be altered even in the smallest degree till the Kingdom is established.

So Christians like Bill should either advocate for the lot, insist that their country, Canada or whatever, follow the Law on those points; or else they should stop cherrypicking simply to justify their personal homophobia.

Interestingly 'thou shalt not suffer a witch to live' was the justification to burn Bible translators by the medieval Catholic Church. I don't support the church having the power of the sword at all. The church may withhold membership or communion from an unrepentant person but should not be dealing in civil or criminal penalties

And no, not bringing back slavery... matter of fact it was largely the efforts of evangelicals that first brought the slave trade to an end

 

[Twilight Hue]

I don’t agree that current “treatment” provides the best possible long term outcome.

It doesn't.

If you ask me, transgender people are more miserable and depressed as ever.

I still don't see how slapping on a pair of boobs or surgically attaching a penis and being injected with volumes of hormones would make anybody happy and comfortable. It's a case where the insane runs the Asylum and nobody actually wins in the end.

I can maybe see society overall adjusting to the frankly freakish sights that comes from such alterations and changes, and such, givin time could normalize some, but I think the illness will still be untreated with all the problems that compound the issues with people who decide to go this route.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

Canadian tribunal fines Bill Whatcott $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

Canadian tribunal fines Bill Whatcott $55,000 for expressing Christian views on “transgenderism”

I read that is CA you can go to jail for misgendering. But who knows if any of this is real. Sounds unbelievable that you are forced to believe a man with a penis is a woman. But when dems are in charge, nothing is beyond belief nowadays.

The reps ****ed up and only have themselves to blame. Reps tried to 'go along to get along' with the mental illness agenda of the filthy dems. Reps should have beat the filthy dems to a pulp EVERY time the filthy dems tried to brainwash the America with their genderqueer agenda.

Now, I'm not against queers or trans people. But call em what they are, not make them as normal as apple pie...which make normal people freaks.

Your link is from a hate site and I've reported you for hate speech and trolling. It's amazing that this disgusting thread is still here. RF continues to become more hateful by the day.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

It doesn't.

If you ask me, transgender people are more miserable and depressed as ever.

I still don't see how slapping on a pair of boobs or surgically attaching a penis and being injected with volumes of hormones would make anybody happy and comfortable. It's a case where the insane runs the Asylum and nobody actually wins in the end.

I can maybe see society overall adjusting to the frankly freakish sights that comes from such alterations and changes, and such, givin time could normalize some, but I think the illness will still be untreated with all the problems that compound the issues with people who decide to go this route.

Wow, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

If it is, then it's the first mental illness that's been catered to and accommodated as far as I can tell.

The dysphoria is the illness that's treated, not being trans itself, smart one.

 

[Twilight Hue]

Wow, you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

I dunno Frank. You don't come across as being a person particularly happy or comfortable.

 

[Saint Frankenstein]

I don’t agree that current “treatment” provides the best possible long term outcome.

Who cares what you think. You're not a doctor or anything. Your opinion doesn't mean a damn thing when it comes to someone else's healthcare.