Can't get over your pet dying? Clone them!

[Revoltingest]

To say genetic engineering - cloning or otherwise - is "just" another tool is far too dismissive of its ramifications.

"Just another tool" is the opposite of dismissive.
Consider that nuclear weapons is included in that description.
We have many tools which risk dire consequences.
Cloning is yet another.

This is the problem a lot of humans have - they are way, way too dismissive of the consequences of their actions or taking responsibility for the costs paid for their behaviors. I wager human use of technology wouldn't be such a monumental problem if otherwise were the case, but it isn't and won't be.

Another problem of humans is fearing or being repelled by
something without full consideration. This discussion hasn't
offered good reason to fundamentally oppose cloning.
Instead, it's about some related problems that can be mitigated.

 

[Secret Chief]

Reading this suggested great agitation....
"....I traditionally go out and kill some rightwingers."

I was just making a point, grieving in our own way does not justify unethical behaviour.

 

[Secret Chief]

It's appropriate for authorities to go after those who abuse animals...people too.

Unfortunately, selling animals online like this is not illegal.

 

[Revoltingest]

I was just making a point, grieving in our own way does not justify unethical behaviour.

It was the way the point was made....rather over the top.

 

[Secret Chief]

In one respect.

Many things are fungible commodities, eg, mops, tops, steaks, stakes.
Despite having that trait in common, they're different things in other ways.

Your point read to me that it was but one similar example amongst others, or else why list them.

 

[Revoltingest]

Unfortunately, selling animals online like this is not illegal.

OK.

 

[Secret Chief]

I just don't recognize animals (non-humans) having
the right to choose/not choose being cloned.

Clearly, which is why we do not agree. Obviously they do not have the facility to do this, but the cloning occurs because it is considered an irrelevant issue to the perpetrator and purchaser.

 

[Revoltingest]

Clearly, which is why we do not agree.

That's OK.

 

[InChrist]

Humans just continue their descent into depravity:

"...

And their love for Marley was so strong they couldn't really let go. So, the Tshirharts turned to ViaGen Pets, of Austin, Texas, a company that has cloned hundreds of pets for a multitude of grateful owners, including (according to ViaGen's client service manager Melain Rodriguez) Barbra Streisand: "We did, yes – her dog had passed away. And I think that she had known about what we do, and we were able to get samples very quickly. And there were actually more than one puppy born.

Rodriguez said it works like this: your vet takes a tissue sample from your pet and sends it off to ViaGen.

And for as much $50,000, the company will culture the cells, create embryos, implant them in a surrogate, and deliver a clone of your loved one.

But animal rights groups say forcing dogs and cats to be surrogates for clones is simply inhumane."
Pet cloning: Man's best friend, again

What say you?

As for me, I think this is totally disgusting and unethical. A sane nation would ban such things. If you are unable to accept the death of a pet, you need therapy, not some shady corporation taking your money. What happened to people getting pets as kids (or growing up on a farm or in a rural area, which is sadly more and more rare these days) and their deaths being an opportunity to learn about and accept the reality of death? A clone isn't the same individual you've lost, anyway. At best, you're making an identical twin, but a more sickly one that won't live as long. So these people are being scammed on top of it. If this crap becomes more normalized, I would expect challenges to the bans on human cloning.

I agree, it’s wrong on so many levels and as you said, a clone isn’t really the same pet anyway.