Cant have it both ways

[Quagmire]

...none of them claim string theory is a fact, They always use phrases such as "if string theory is true" . Perhaps religious people should consider the same approach.

Then it wouldn't be religion.

 

[Riverwolf]

Might help what? I am only saying the latest scientific theories are supernatural.

If the supernatural turns out to be real, then it was perfectly natural to begin with; nothing "super" about it.

 

[Minus Habens]

At the moment neither of these ideas are testable, but within a few years they may become so. The LHC at CERN might be able to demonstrate if extra dimensions exist. We shall see.

It will be interesting, to say the least.

 

[Minus Habens]

If the supernatural turns out to be real, then it was perfectly natural to begin with; nothing "super" about it.

That is true.

 

[imaginaryme]

The latest scientific theories are not supernatural. Until Hubble no one knew that planetary nebula were actually extra galaxies. If there turn out to be extra dimensions or even extra universes then why is this any more supernatural than the discovery that the MIlky Way is not the only galaxy? Adding an extra number to a known value, like the number of galaxies or the number of spatial dimensions does not make it super natural. At the moment neither of these ideas are testable, but within a few years they may become so. The LHC at CERN might be able to demonstrate if extra dimensions exist. We shall see.

Big Bangs Before The Big Bang?: Testing the Multiverse Hypothesis « Prometheus Unbound

CERN - EXTRA DIMENSIONS

The difference between these idea and religious ideas are that scientists wait for the experimental test before they jump to conclusions. I have read several books by many string theorists such as Brian Green and Michiu Kaku, none of them claim string theory is a fact, They always use phrases such as "if string theory is true" . Perhaps religious people should consider the same approach.

Come on, now. I've just spent the day reading summaries on Science Daily. There's plenty of scientists who are full of "religious nonsense," who posit unproven hypotheses as fact. With dark matter especially, but with string theory as well.

 

[skydivephil]

We have lost of good evidence that dark matter exists. Go on wikipedia:
Dark matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
youll see 4 independent lines of evidence pointing to dark matter. Notice also the ongoing experiments trying to detect dark matter. See a theme? yes scientists look to do eperiments to confirm or dey their idea with experiments. If experiments continually fail to detet dark matter then I can assure there will be a rethink. In fact some physicists have looked at rewriting one of their most cherised equation f=ma as a result.
Modified Newtonian dynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is not in any way comparable to supernatural beliefs which are not open to experimental testing.
Onto string theory, string theorists , on the whole, do not go around saying string theory is a fact. They know its a specualtive diea and they say so. You are constructing a straw man. Look at this web page for string theoriests :
Looking for extra dimensions
Note that phrase "Superstring theory is a possible unified theory of all fundamental forces"
Ever the accepted godfather of string theory , Ed witten said this:

"Critics of string theory say that it might be too big a step. Most physicists in other fields are simply agnostic and properly so," says Witten. "It isn't an established theory. My personal opinion is that there are circumstantial reasons to suspect that it's on the right track. "
Now stop making straw men out of scientists. Sceintists have no problem with specualtive ideas as long as they are reognsied as such, that they do clearly.

Now stop creating straw men

 

[imaginaryme]

Now stop creating straw men

What is a straw man? A tool of a fool who lacks integrity. That's not the problem with this fool. Probably a million words of mine online, and this is the first time I used a piece of asinine terminology. So, you insult my integrity, insult my intelligence, and don't even have the sack to quote my words directly. Here's what I know. Scientists are deep within mountains, submerging disks of gallium compounds near absolute zero to detect traces of dark matter. Source is my memory. Forty years, zero conclusive evidence. Consider plasma state. Nothing wrong with the science, just the inertia of the scientific community to accept change. Same thing with the iron sun. This is a theory created to explain the spectrographic emissions of the sun, which it does; which the four hundred year old "ball of gas" story fails to do. Religious nonsense.

And kiss my ***.

 

[Vasilisa Jade]

Welcome to RF.

I'll have my cake and eat it too, thank you very much.

Ditto.

Where there's a will there's a way.

 

[imaginaryme]

We have lost of good evidence that dark matter exists. Go on wikipedia:
Dark matter - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
youll see 4 independent lines of evidence pointing to dark matter. Notice also the ongoing experiments trying to detect dark matter. See a theme? yes scientists look to do eperiments to confirm or dey their idea with experiments. If experiments continually fail to detet dark matter then I can assure there will be a rethink. In fact some physicists have looked at rewriting one of their most cherised equation f=ma as a result.
Modified Newtonian dynamics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
This is not in any way comparable to supernatural beliefs which are not open to experimental testing.
Onto string theory, string theorists , on the whole, do not go around saying string theory is a fact. They know its a specualtive diea and they say so. You are constructing a straw man. Look at this web page for string theoriests :
Looking for extra dimensions
Note that phrase "Superstring theory is a possible unified theory of all fundamental forces"
Ever the accepted godfather of string theory , Ed witten said this:

"Critics of string theory say that it might be too big a step. Most physicists in other fields are simply agnostic and properly so," says Witten. "It isn't an established theory. My personal opinion is that there are circumstantial reasons to suspect that it's on the right track. "
Now stop making straw men out of scientists. Sceintists have no problem with specualtive ideas as long as they are reognsied as such, that they do clearly.

Now stop creating straw men

I had my moment of lippy backlash (see above) but I am actually a creature devoid of ill will. Check on Science Daily - there is speculation that they're actually "seeing" an entire galaxy of dark matter. Cool beans. I kinda hope they do validate dark matter with conclusive evidence, as it will become an even better example against creationism. I do the B,M, & C routine because I can, not because it means anything.

As for what really "chaps my hide," it is the tendency of the mainstream science to label competing theories as "fringe," leading many up-and-coming scientists to steer clear of such tainted waters.

 

[Mr Cheese]

If you only dip your toe in the water, you aren't swimming.

In order to find pearls, you must dive for them

to conclude: simplistic assertions result in simplistic conclusions

example: Americans are all fat ( I seen them, thye are all fat)
People called Susan are all evil (quite plainly true)
Mickey mouse is evil (actual thought by the Nazi party)
French people stink (well in a poll french men stated they often didnt change their underwear for 2 or 3 days)
The moon is made of Cheese (well if its good enough for wallace and gromit)

 

[Mr Cheese]

Hello and welcome. Be aware that battle-hammer swinging anti-religionists are a dime a dozen in here, so if you want to distinguish yourself from the atheist hoi polloi, it is better to speak from the heart about what you actually DO believe, rather than simply attack others for their beliefs.

Unless, of course, their beliefs are ridiculous.

I'll haveyou know, I love the Giant Guppie...he is my personal saviour and I am saved by being washed in his fishyness